What is it with you and lazy votes? I'm frankly getting tired of it!
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Rather than criticizing my votes for laziness, I would appreciate it if you would apply your considerable wit and explain why it's a bad vote, or propose a superior alternative.
You are sadly mistaken. I did not say it was a bad vote. I said it was a lazy vote.
I happen to agree with the case, but it's a lazy case.
Vote Rami
I'm trying to decide whether to be confused or gratified. I'll go with gratified for now.
Yes, it definitely had nothing to do with the PM Torn sent me minutes earlier to get in and vote because DST made the deadline earlier than I was expecting. I was definetly not, say, sleeping in that day because it was Sunday (Yes it was 12:50, so what?), and was only awoken when my phone buzzed that it had recieved an email via said pm.
I'd also like to dispute the, "Many good suggestion for people who ought to have been lynched" since there was only one person calling for my head yesterday. Said persons' case, despite disguising their rhetoric in meaningless RP dribble, has so little substance as to suggest the name was picked at random for lack of any actual leads.
In fact, upon further review, a curious trend emerges: said person has voted for a goodie EVERY SINGLE DAY (said person was voting Jerman before switching to Rosvea minutes before Marshal was outed on day 2). Contrast this to the voting record of your's trully, who has voted for a known goodie only once. And let no man say Citizen did anything to assure us of his innocence. Consider the possibility, raised by Esemas on day 2, that said person is instead using the RP rhetoric to conceal the fact his cases are meaningless (see his day 2 vote for Jerman on the basis of his Trumpness), and that 2/3rds of what he types is just dribble. The remainder has been, unsuprisingly, convincing to precisely no one before Euro just hours ago.
We all know said person is capable of better, and yet he persists in making meaningless cases coaxed in RP filler. We also know EVERY read said person has made so far has been wrong. I have a humble theory: perhaps said person is not trying to find wolves at all? Perhaps he is just trying to look busy while simultaneously doing nothing of any worth to the village. Now that would either make him horrendously incompetent or a wolf. Since we know he is not the former....
Well Torns message was sent at 12:10, which means my phone probably buzzed sometime around 12:25 or 12:30. I guess I must have taken a little longer than I thought to actually stir from bed and get breakfest.
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How on Earth can you be surprised of DST? Didn't you set your clocks the night before and hence was aware of it? (Hopefully you weren't an oaf like me and set it to the old time and hence had to go almost another full cycle to get the right time, which takes an eternity since you need to let it finish ringing before you can move it another 30 minutes forward...)
And didn't you at all look at any media on Saturday? Or don't American media mention that DST ends aggressively the day before? (Although the election being very close I could see them not doing it that much---this year at least.)
And thirdly when seeing in my lite that DST ended in Europe last week that didn't make you think: Oh hey, it ending in Europe means it'll end here in 7 days?
And now we all know you live in Central Time.
Nope didn't see anything about DST. Or perhaps I did and it just didn't register. Tbf I have been limiting my news exposure for the past week for obvious reasons. Regardless, my "clocks" (In this case my watch and phone) readjust automatically, so I never had to manually change it. So it never actually occurred to me until my phone buzzed me awake.
I was not in you're lite last week
I have on several occasions said I live in New OrleansAnd now we all know you live in Central Time.
Yeah I can see automatic clocks being problematic in that regard, though I still find it strange that people completely miss it happening, though I might also be a little more aware of how time works than most people. My trusty old alarm clock for instance is radio controlled from Frankfurt and hence automatically adjusts itself too. (It's the one I use for setting the other ones.) Still seems strange only to have two clocks; or at least not to have a large clock making an omnipresent sound. Not having a deep tic toc every half second (and loud ringing every half hour) seems really strange to me. That just has such charm and creates loads of hygge (@Cliges).Nope didn't see anything about DST. Or perhaps I did and it just didn't register. Tbf I have been limiting my news exposure for the past week for obvious reasons. Regardless, my "clocks" (In this case my watch and phone) readjust automatically, so I never had to manually change it. So it never actually occurred to me until my phone buzzed me awake.
I was not in you're lite last week
Although I'd be happy to further indulge this discussion on time keeping, I can't help but notice you skipped over any of the actual relevant details of my post
Man, I really like your posts, they're very.... organised. But I don't know if I can trust them more. Because with two of your posts and two of your votes, two good villagers were lynched. Jeray in day 1 and Jerman in day 3. In Jerays case you were the vote number 3 of the 4 votes against him. And in Jermans case you were the vote 3 of the 5 votes issued against Jerman.
With Jeray the reasons were little to non existent, but it was day 1 so it's "understandable".
For Jerman I think you followed your gut.
Although not really convinced about it.
But I have been seeing some things and trying to find something. And I have a couple of ideas.
1. So having in account that Citizen was the seer, that means he could have made 4 scans. We know 2 of them. De Chat and Marshall allegedly.
So that leave us with 2 unknown scans.
In that same note before advancing to other points. I really think at the end Citizen played it poorly in a way. Knowing he was the seer I don't see why he would do the things he did in Day 3, I mean he was obviously in the spot after that move. I think he was just trying to make it fun? I really don't know what he was trying to achieve with that.
And his vote to Spock in the last day. I'm not convinced about this vote, was he trying to save himself? He knew something? Had he already scanned Spock? Will talk more about this later.
2. I think something else would have happened if De Chat knew something, I dunno they didn't do so much in the 3 day before De Chat was shot. He only voted for Ramius for lazy post. I mean he knew he would probably get hunted for the outing on Marshall. And I think he would probably said something worth knowing. But he was the only Ramius voter that day.
3. Now returning to the Spock situation. I think there is a still a "semi-good" case trying to not forget the Jackson Wagon incident of Day 1 where he "saved" last minute Jackson. We have to see this like not only the vote from Spock. There was no "official" count.
But when Wagon asked for one, or if someone had one, Jcan told it was 5 to 4 in lead Jeray (almost accurate it was 4 to 3 leading Jeray), but Madchemist "corrected" him saying it was 4-4, and when Spock tried to tie it, he moved his vote (I assume trying to make a tie) and leaving Jeray in the lead.
So Madchemists faulty count should be considered also.
Also why did citizen in the last day voted Spock? Then changed to Yakman? And then returned to Spock. I think he didn't knew anything about this two but he was just trying to save himself by killing the other 2 people that had lots of attention yesterday besides him. That doesn't prove innocence of them both. But also can't assure they are guilty. I think Citizen would have said something about it, if he really wanted to survive.
4. Also in my mind two persons that have been in my mind a little bit. Euro and Yakman (now LatinKaiser). Because of the level of activity and the votes they have issued. I mean Euro has issued not totally random votes but like not much explanation behind them. Yakman has been barely here. That doesn't prove innocence or guiltiness, it doesn't prove that much. I mean Euro gained a lot of traction the last day with that much case. I mean we should still have him in mind. But at the moment don't think there is much case against them.
5. This is a new point. This is courtesy of Ramius, I think I mentioned a little bit also before, about how he has voted pure villagers (Madchemist) and he asks to be listened. But haven't prove his innocence.
6. Also the people that have voted the innocent villagers that have been lynched.
In Day 1 the voters for Jeray where. Voyager, Aedan, Madchemist, Ramius (who changed to Jackson) and Jackson (who changed from Aedan).
Day 2 doesn't count, still should look at it, at the votes before knowing who Marshall was.
Day 3. Jerman voters. Jacksonian, Aedan, Madcheist (changed from Euro), Wagon (Changed from Citizen) and Spock. In that order also.
Day 4. Citizen voters. Voyager, Hazbot, Jacksonian (changed from Wagon), Ramius and myself. In that order also.
Also Torn I been rick rolled, the events in day 1 send me to
In this the people that "appear" more are Madchemist with 2, Aedan with 2, Jackson with 2 (having in mind that in Day 1 he was trying to save his life) (Not defending him just stating the fact), Voyager with 2, Ramius with 2. Also having in mind that Madchemist voted Jerman in day 2 before changing to Rovsea and finally to Marshall. (Only one to vote a known goodie a.k.a the dead ones)
With all this my gut is saying that Madchemist might be a good lynch. Also Ramius has my attention he has been very quiet, until today putting a case against Madchemist.
But I will like to hear and see other opinions about my analysis, so if it has any flaw or something I didn't see or look over it, its stated so we have more info for todays case.
Maybe I'm focusing too much in people that have voted villagers and we might need to look for the quiet ones and the ones that have issued "useless" votes. Or melted between voting's.
Mmmmm for the meantime
Vote Madchemist.
I already said days ago that I didn't find MC's RPing suspicious and I still think that. That was why I didn't reply.Although I'd be happy to further indulge this discussion on time keeping, I can't help but notice you skipped over any of the actual relevant details of my post
I don't see MC as being that suspicious. He's RPing considerably, which is different from usually, but it obviously is a topic he really cares about so that isn't really suspicious in my book. And he does look like goodie MC---e.g. with how he gave his list of reads yesterday.
Now his cases have been off, yes, but that frankly isn't that suspicious---at least not at the moment. We have 2 dead baddies. One who made 3 game related posts and another who made around 20, but died so early that he never got much of a voting record. Marshall on day 1 voted Rovs and later changed to Jerman. Rovs only had 1 vote when Marshall was on him so that vote's pretty much meaningless. Jerman got two votes in total, but his vote on Jerman came when jeray was being severely bandwagoned and hence mainly looks like an attempts at looking good.
Day two, the day he was outed and lynched, he voted Voyager early and stayed there.
So not really anything much to work with. Hence you can't be surprised when cases still aren't perfect.
That is frankly a really bad reasoning and if you weren't new I'd vote you for it. Early in the game you don't have much to work with and it's expected that most people will be on goodies---plain and simply because there's more of them. It's uncommon that a baddie is lynched without an outing early in the game.
MC actually was correct. The problem ended up being that sms made a vote which Torn disqualified, but Torn only stated this after deadline due to him not making an official count. You can't fault MC for that and doing so frankly is suspicious. It was 4-4 for all we knew. And hadn't that vote by sms been disqualified there would have been a TIE.
So much this. Just because a scanner voted somebody doesn't mean that somebody is a baddie. And unless citizen is an oaf he indeed would have outed yesterday had he had a name.
When did Rovs die? Because MC has also voted Rovs. And the only person to vote a baddie is JCan, who voted Marshall day 1 as part of a joke and hence that vote doesn't mean much. Kai got no votes. And Marshall never got others than that one by JCan. As such pretty much everybody has solely voted goodies or unknowns, so pointing somebody out for that really seems suspicious.
What do you mean with that? First you say that he voted pure villagers and now you note that he voted Rovs the unknown before the outing. Or do you know that Rovs's a villager?
I'm frankly really tempted to vote you for this, but I think it rather is inexperience than maliciousness.
He voted for a known goodie before switching onto Rosvea (unknown), which was right before the outing on day 2
And would you please elaborate how that's suspicious?
And as mentioned many people have voted for known goodies; and nobody, but JCan, has actually voted for a baddie.
Voting for a known goodie once is not suspisious in of itself.
What is suspisious is that he has ONLY voted known goodies, with the exception of myself (whom I assure you is but a humble villager) Marshal. And even on that day he was still at one point voting a known goodie.
Also consider that not a single read he has made this round has been correct.
Why doesn't his vote on Rovs the unknown count?
And again statistically you'll be voting mainly for goodies early in the game when there isn't much to work with. And with just two dead baddies, who pretty had a pretty much non existent voting record, there isn't really much to work with.
Ok good to know that. Didn't saw that. Thanks for that info.
Exactly my point!
He changed his vote so much he was (for what it seem) just trying to save himself, not killing a baddie. Well it seems that way. I think he would have said something otherwise. Yes, thats a good point, and I know that by chance at first, specially the firsts day that there is no much info for the village to work with, the most probable thing to happen is to vote for goodies.
I meant that in Day 2, he was the only one that voted one of the known villagers (Jerman), Rovsea was just part of his transition to Marshall, we don't know about Rovsea, it was not about Rovsea it was about the vote to Jerman. That looking back he was the only one voting for one of the known villagers.
Because voting for Rovsea will be somehow random voting cause right now is not a case against him or something to make me think he is a baddie. As I said in my post also. Maybe we should be looking for the "quiet" ones or the ones that have been melting in between votes.
And I know that statistically is more probable to vote goodies at first.
Then Wagon who do you propose or any ideas?
I'm open to hearing suggestions.
That's why I put that I will like to see other people opinions, because sometimes you overthink or overlook some details. As you told me about the count and voting's in day 1.
Do you have any further suggestions? The voting records is not perfect due to the complete lack of wolf hunts, but it is one objective source of info that we do possess besides randomly guessing, "Oh, this person is slightly less active. Clearly guilty!". Which worked SWIMINGLY in the case of Jerman (coincidentally, this was a case MC tried to put forward)
And looking at vote counts, MC clearly comes off the worst of anyone here. Sure statistics doesn't help any of us, but statistics doens't guarantee you vote goodie every time. In addition to his appalling vote count record, every read he has publicly posted in thread has been wrong. He has thus had NO redeeming actions this round.
At the very least, this puts the case against him leagues ahead of any case he himself has chosen to put forward so far. And this case isn't coated in lengthy RP garbage
What on Earth are you talking about? How was Rovs a transition to Marshall? THat makes absolutely no sense. He was voting Rovs pre outing. And Rovs's an unknown. And he was far from the only Jerman voter; plenty of people voted Jerman (albeit the next day). And Rovs was a major candidate pre outing.
I'm not saying we should vote for Rovs. I'm saying that Rovs hasn't died and hence is an unknown. With regard to candidates then I'm actually seriously considering you for these arguments, which are really flawed. You come across as really shady. Though I still think it probably is inexperience instead of maliciousness, but the final verdict is still out on it.
The voting record isn't really much useful at the moment. You need several dead baddies, who made meaningful votes/were run up to really start using it. That hasn't happened here and hence we can't really use the voting record. And until we get something solid to work with the cases will never be too solid.
I feel like you ought to know better, so I'm frankly suspicious of you too. Because the voting record is pretty much non existent (we have 6 dead people of whom 2 were baddies with pretty much no record), so you trying to use it for a case in the way you have seems really shady.
When did all the below people die? And he did say he found Citizen goodieish so that proves your claim wrong.