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The sorcerer is the sorcerer, he's always unattached but he could be in contact with a pack or not. He can scan for cultists so it's possible that he was, but we can't know.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
 

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Whats going on? Ive been asleep.
 

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I'm shocked a sudden last minute vote change on scant evidence caught a wolf. I'd taken to assuming Jerman doing something silly and stupid was just his usual behaviour and not a sign of wolfishness. Not sure if I'm wrong, or you just got lucky. Will think on new candidates for today, since Health was voted by Chieron, so a somewhat unlikely yellow. Not sure what to make of Jerman saving gorgan, quite possibly an intentional red herring to mislead us.
 

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That's three votes in a row on a CAWZ case when there's more than valid cases on Jerman and Health. Not too stoked about that, honestly.
Aye. Though considering Jerman's actions there may have been something to it.
You continue to misinterpret the case on Health. Health advocated a TIE between Yakman and Audren yesterday, pushing up Audren when multiple people at the time advised against doing so. Now, today, he says he doesn't consider either Yakman or Audren a likely wolf. In conclusion, Health tried to tie up two people who he considered likely villagers.
Hmm, that's fair.
Vote Audren

Let's see what this does to Yak's theory.
Lemeard, why are you throwing your vote away on a case you don't even agree with?
JermanTK is my main suspect so I'm able to change my vote to him but... really nobody want to see Ironhide giving some explanation? I find quite suspicious that he doesn't want to answer at all. Probably he doesn't want to lie, what could mean he's a baddie.
Well.. here we go... this is some kind of deja vù.

Vote Ironhide IG
I've revised my earlier opinion and think you are probably just tunneling very hard.

Here's the explanation as to why Ironhide could conceivably refuse to answer at all. Supposing Ironhide is only able to tell the truth OR not respond, asking him that question is a fail-safe. If he only ever responds when he is a villager, and not when he is a wolf, or if he responds that he is a wolf when he is a wolf, then we will be able to figure out his role in every game. Ironhide, being a reasonably intelligent person, knows this.

He also (theoretically) knows that, even if he is a villager now, this question will hinder him in future games if he responds now and not then (still assuming Ironhide refuses to lie).

There you are, a perfectly good reason why Ironhide would not answer your question. He even stated as much. Now, either find a better reason to vote him, or take your vote off him and put it on someone more deserving.

Since Marshall has pointed out a case on Health, I will

Vote Health
 

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I'm shocked a sudden last minute vote change on scant evidence caught a wolf. I'd taken to assuming Jerman doing something silly and stupid was just his usual behaviour and not a sign of wolfishness. Not sure if I'm wrong, or you just got lucky. Will think on new candidates for today, since Health was voted by Chieron, so a somewhat unlikely yellow. Not sure what to make of Jerman saving gorgan, quite possibly an intentional red herring to mislead us.

Probably, seeing as it's early in the game and a baddie was hunted today I don't think he was in contact with anyone. So IMO the Jerman votes are useless, analysis wise. Chieron seems a more adequate viewpoint to analyse from.
 

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You nearly got lynched. Last second, Jerman switched off you onto Health; Jerman turned out to be the sorcerer. Assuming 2 packs, red pack killed off a yellow wolf (a brutal one, at that)

If i may ask what was the case on me?
 

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I've revised my earlier opinion and think you are probably just tunneling very hard.

Here's the explanation as to why Ironhide could conceivably refuse to answer at all. Supposing Ironhide is only able to tell the truth OR not respond, asking him that question is a fail-safe. If he only ever responds when he is a villager, and not when he is a wolf, or if he responds that he is a wolf when he is a wolf, then we will be able to figure out his role in every game. Ironhide, being a reasonably intelligent person, knows this.

He also (theoretically) knows that, even if he is a villager now, this question will hinder him in future games if he responds now and not then (still assuming Ironhide refuses to lie).

There you are, a perfectly good reason why Ironhide would not answer your question. He even stated as much. Now, either find a better reason to vote him, or take your vote off him and put it on someone more deserving.

You're right about that and that's exactly the reason because I'm voting him. I obviously understand that he can't just answer the question and I think is a smart move but if he's the most voted player then he needs to defend himself in some way. And I want to see that defense and if it's a good one I will switch to another player and I'm not voting him more times. It's really easy. Why asking for a defense is so difficult? We already have a case, Tornadoli said he found some Ironhide's posts as suspicious.
 

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The thing with Ironhide is that we're not asking him straight up for his role; he was (wisely) chosen not to answer that question at all. What we're asking for is a defense for his actions, which he has yet to provide, and doesn't involve his role at all.
 

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We already have a case, Tornadoli said he found some Ironhide's posts as suspicious.

The thing with Ironhide is that we're not asking him straight up for his role; he was (wisely) chosen not to answer that question at all. What we're asking for is a defense for his actions, which he has yet to provide, and doesn't involve his role at all.
Ah, all right then. It wasn't immediately apparent from the posts I read earlier.

What specific actions did you find suspicious.
 

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The baddie tell: "This is my vote but I'm gonna change it later" I can't find the precise quote.
 

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Oh, this is interesting. So many different cases. Hmmm. Audren seemed really defensive in that post a couple posts back. I'd like to see more of what happens. For now I'll TIE it, yet I don't think this will be my final vote if I have a chance to revisit the thread, I want to see what more plays out.

Vote Audren

Here it is, my eyes aren't working right.
 

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Plus general CAWZ activity or lack thereof.
 

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Hmm, okay. Some other people have done that, or have just thrown their vote away. Like Lemeard. Who no one voted. Despite CAWZ and TIE-making.

We should go for Lemeard if we're trying for CAWZ and vote-throwing away.

But on the case at hand. Why is that a baddie tell?
Get your facts straight. It's getting embarrassing
 

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Get your facts straight. It's getting embarrassing
Wow, great. Thanks for the great stirring argument. So I suppose you mean you moved your-

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Nope. Oh, look, it's yet another explanationless vote on a candidate you admitted you didn't support.

Please step up your game. I've repeatedly asked you to explain your votes and every time you've remained silent.
 

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Here it is, my eyes aren't working right.
That case has caught many a wolf before. Even I have fallen victim to that trap. So saying, I think it best if pursue this further. Though seeing as how he's been run up many a times before, I would not mind seeing a tie between him and another. Thoughts?

Vote Ironhide
 

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I'm growing increasingly compelled by the case on Lemeard, who's yet to provide much of any reasoning for any of his votes, and seems similarly opposed to defending his actions in any meaningful way.

VOTE LEMEARD
 

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I'm growing increasingly compelled by the case on Lemeard, who's yet to provide much of any reasoning for any of his votes, and seems similarly opposed to defending his actions in any meaningful way.

VOTE LEMEARD
Good idea. Now that someone else (finally) agrees...

Unvote Health, Vote Lemeard