We're all set for a China DLC

[Me_]

With the introduction of the new Viceroys system for king and duke level titles in C, it would seem that centralized states can now (well, a week from now) be represented sensibly in CK2.

It would therefore appear to me that the last hurdle on the way for the China DLC has been removed.

What do you think? Is there anything left, that we're still missing? The new tribal system will make it possible to populate the steppe more sensibly, so that's out of the way as well.

 

[LFA]

True but this debate has been had over and over and over again, right now I don't really think you can go much farther than what you have summarized. It is also a pretty good summary btw, personally I rreally think the con side outweigh the pro side by a very large margin. There really is no point in adding China IMO, I think Pdox should focus on what we already have instead of always trying to expand the map and add more or less clunky "kingdoms" really what can you do with China in the current set of CK ?
Having China would offer more choices yes, but would it really make the game better, more interesting and more entertaining ? Personally I don't think so, instead I want some much needed improvement on the core of the game.

Edit : the addition of India has already created much turmoil in the community, is it really necessary to add salt in the wound and create another one right next to it ? I for one has been very disappointed by RoI, I haven't purchased it and won't and it brought it's share of problems with it, wether you get the DLC or not, I'm aware I do not represent the whole community on my own, but i know this opinion to be shared by many.
India was already seen as unnecessary by a large portion of the community, so unless the addition of China is proven to really add something to the game and make it better for everyone, I really don't think we should go down that road
Having the entire globe as your playground makes a lot of sense from EU on, but it really doesn't with CK2 time frame and gameplay IMHO.

 

[Tabris01]

True but this debate has been had over and over and over again, right now I don't really think you can go much farther than what you have summarized. It is also a pretty good summary btw, personally I rreally think the con side outweigh the pro side by a very large margin. There really is no point in adding China IMO, I think Pdox should focus on what we already have instead of always trying to expand the map and add more or less clunky "kingdoms" really what can you do with China in the current set of CK ?
Having China would offer more choices yes, but would it really make the game better, more interesting and more entertaining ? Personally I don't think so, instead I want some much needed improvement on the core of the game.

So what improvements would you like to see then? If all the cards are known, maybe a compromise or even synthesis can be reached

 

[LFA]

So what improvements would you like to see then? If all the cards are known, maybe a compromise or even synthesis can be reached

Well this is not exactly the topic and if the matter interest you you should post another thread about it (like "what would you like in the next DLC/ CK3") and you will probably collapse under the suggestions, but for starters cadet dynasties, better representation of the feudal system in christian Europe and improved gameplay for muslims, more religious and cultural flavor, more diplomatic interactions, more plotting more realm management/peace time occupation, more challenging game (ok that one is more personal, but I'd like vassals to be more aggressive toward their liege like they used to be) etc...
Really there are plenty of things to be done.

 

[DesNibelungen]

From where I stand, nothing more has been added to this. Any additions?

I would add the ability to convert China/Japan/etc. games to EUIV. Right now you're stuck with the base start for those nations, unlike India and points west of that.

 

[Alcadizzar19]

I would add the ability to convert China/Japan/etc. games to EUIV. Right now you're stuck with the base start for those nations, unlike India and points west of that.

One of the primary reasons I'd like a China/Japan expansion. Nestorianism was fairly lively in China and at least present in Japan at certain points, having the opportunity for an Eastern gigantic Christian Empire approaching the New World from the Pacific appeals to me.

 

[Baalshazar]

One of the primary reasons I'd like a China/Japan expansion. Nestorianism was fairly lively in China and at least present in Japan at certain points, having the opportunity for an Eastern gigantic Christian Empire approaching the New World from the Pacific appeals to me.

Also one of the reasons I would like Asia as well, just odd seeing the same Asia when a person coverts his or her game.

 

[pirro]

Also one of the reasons I would like Asia as well, just odd seeing the same Asia when a person coverts his or her game.

The maps that I get in 1350 (when the game becomes unplayable) make my eyes bleed. I think that solving that is far more important.

 

[Jaxck]

What I would like would be Sengoku II, an Asian based CK game that crosses over with CK and EU in terms of timeline and draws elements from both.

 

[Finnway]

Like I already said in this thread, before they could add China properly they would need to make a Genghis Khan DLC to expand Mongolian mechanics and a Silk Road DLC (since that was Europe's most notable connection to China.)

The other problem I see with China is that come 1207 Mongol doom stacks would appear on your border and likely wipe out most of whatever empire you had constructed. I guess that's a bad argument, since the same is already true of Russia, Persia, and central Asia. Nonetheless, I feel there needs to be an interesting time period in China between 769 and 1200 in order to justify them adding it. Otherwise they can just create new mechanics for the Mongolians and extend the map eastwards without making Chinese characters playable.

 

[killerbee256]

I for one has been very disappointed by RoI, I haven't purchased it and won't

That's some nice logic there "I didn't like it, but I never played it." Thank you for providing an example of the continued whining about RoI. Here is the thing, Paradox is a for profit company they are about making a profit and China DLC would make a profit. Pleasing a whiny minority of the community isn't even on their radar.

 

[Big Blue Blob]

I am fine with a China DLC eventually, but I want the existing world fixed first. No more gavelkind in Ethiopia!

 

[VolitionNewlove]

I am fine with a China DLC eventually, but I want the existing world fixed first. No more gavelkind in Ethiopia!

Different titles for East Africans would be nice, as well. It's a little frustrating seeing Ethiopian "dukes," "counts," and "barons" all the time.

 

[Tabris01]

Different titles for East Africans would be nice, as well. It's a little frustrating seeing Ethiopian "dukes," "counts," and "barons" all the time.

Though thats stuff for a patch, I'd say

 

[VolitionNewlove]

Though thats stuff for a patch, I'd say

I know, but new succession laws are also generally patch material.

 

[LFA]

That's some nice logic there "I didn't like it, but I never played it." Thank you for providing an example of the continued whining about RoI. Here is the thing, Paradox is a for profit company they are about making a profit and China DLC would make a profit. Pleasing a whiny minority of the community isn't even on their radar.

Dude I know what RoI is about, and I know I'm not interested in it. Having one such DLC is fine, the "whiners" (as you call them) will just pass on that one and wait for the next, but it would certainly feel pretty frustrating for that portion of the community to get another such DLC so close to the last. Yes Pdox is in for the profit (thank you captain obvious) but usually the best way to make profit is to have as many of your customers as possible to buy the product, now I wouldn't dare estimating a percentage of the CK players who got/didn't get RoI, but I'm pretty certain it is MUCH higher for DLCs such as Charlemagne. BTW the amount of players disappointed on the announcement of RoI is NOT marginal

 

[Damarrocarion]

The maps that I get in 1350 (when the game becomes unplayable) make my eyes bleed. I think that solving that is far more important.

um...are you complaining that ahistorical things happen in grand strategy game?

 

[Hardradi]

Nonetheless, I feel there needs to be an interesting time period in China between 769 and 1200 in order to justify them adding it. Otherwise they can just create new mechanics for the Mongolians and extend the map eastwards without making Chinese characters playable.

I have only just started to read into this period/region of history.

In China alone let alone the various Steppe powers in Central Asia:
- Fall of the Tang Dynasty
- Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms era
- Khitans, Song, Jin and Xi Xia
- Mongols

Gunpowder...hmy:

 

[killerbee256]

Dude I know what RoI is about, and I know I'm not interested in it. Having one such DLC is fine, the "whiners" (as you call them) will just pass on that one and wait for the next, but it would certainly feel pretty frustrating for that portion of the community to get another such DLC so close to the last. Yes Pdox is in for the profit (thank you captain obvious) but usually the best way to make profit is to have as many of your customers as possible to buy the product, now I wouldn't dare estimating a percentage of the CK players who got/didn't get RoI, but I'm pretty certain it is MUCH higher for DLCs such as Charlemagne. BTW the amount of players disappointed on the announcement of RoI is NOT marginal

Ah another whole post full of complaining and whining! You not getting it paradox doesn't care if a small minority doesn't buy a DLC, because the overwhelming majority of the player base will buy every dlc (many will wait for sales of course.) Paradox doesn't exist to cater to you they exist to make games they enjoy making that a vast majority of the fan base will buy. Dear gods your attitude displays a degree of entitlement that is just childish.

 

[Pete0714]

That's some nice logic there "I didn't like it, but I never played it." Thank you for providing an example of the continued whining about RoI. Here is the thing, Paradox is a for profit company they are about making a profit and China DLC would make a profit. Pleasing a whiny minority of the community isn't even on their radar.

It will only make a good profit if it doesn't break peoples system compatibility by adding it.

 

[Pete0714]

Ah another whole post full of complaining and whining! You not getting it paradox doesn't care if a small minority doesn't buy a DLC, because the overwhelming majority of the player base will buy every dlc (many will wait for sales of course.) Paradox doesn't exist to cater to you they exist to make games they enjoy making that a vast majority of the fan base will buy. Dear gods your attitude displays a degree of entitlement that is just childish.

You are kidding right?