We're all set for a China DLC

[Me_]

With the introduction of the new Viceroys system for king and duke level titles in C, it would seem that centralized states can now (well, a week from now) be represented sensibly in CK2.

It would therefore appear to me that the last hurdle on the way for the China DLC has been removed.

What do you think? Is there anything left, that we're still missing? The new tribal system will make it possible to populate the steppe more sensibly, so that's out of the way as well.

 

[Umega]

I don't really play CK2, but I would really love to play it if there is a Romance of the Three Kingdoms setting!

 

[Manic Eskimo]

But yeah, they were mercenaries, rather than actual attacks from Persia.

It was never claimed that they were attacks orchestrated from the caliphate. You've misread my post. It also doesn't say they were mercenaries although a possibility. It refers to them as pirates. But could just as easily be landless adventurers or a tiny republic if you want to define it in game terms. The whole point was to show the level of interaction between the two cultures rather than two separate and isolated empires.

 

[pirro]

It was never claimed that they were attacks orchestrated from the caliphate. You've misread my post. It also doesn't say they were mercenaries although a possibility. It refers to them as pirates. But could just as easily be landless adventurers or a tiny republic if you want to define it in game terms. The whole point was to show the level of interaction between the two cultures rather than two separate and isolated empires.

I don't think that a single battle and a mercenary band is interaction...
Tangs never retook the control of central Asia, and the later dinasties didn't care about that area

 

[killerbee256]

As long as performance isn't slowed down by half, I want China/Korea/Japan + indochina peninsula CK2 will be 'complete' with no new regions needed after that. If the game can manage to do that without being considerably slow, that is.

I would add the indonesia-malaysia area as well.

That's what people that want China in the game say, yup.

Se você não quer um DLC de china, ninguém vai forçá te para comprá-lo. Uma maioria de nós gosta o ideia de DLC de China. Nao compreendo porque é difícil para você compreender você espanhol arrogante.

 

[sonofliber]

Se você não quer um DLC de china, ninguém vai forçá te para comprá-lo. Uma maioria de nós gosta o ideia de DLC de China. Nao compreendo porque é difícil para você compreender você espanhol arrogante.

como você sabe o que a maioria pensa?

Você também está falando em Portugues não espanhol

Esto es español, este é Portugues

 

[solidprice]

You give a pig an inch of rope, and it will pull for a yard.

Even if China was added, expect no less than 1000 threads of complaints, and at least a hundred more of wanting for Japan, and all of Southeast Asia, and Oceania....

"When am I getting my Sons of Polynesia DLC?"

Mark my words.

Polynesia would be fun! setting up trade posts,making money,than finally find the aztecs/inca! yay!but these shenanigans might happen if we go overboard....
Polynesia: oh hi Aztecs, wanna trade? you will get rich!
Aztecs: lolnope. *dows Polynesia*
Polynesia:save me Chinese emperor, who is my brother!shtf!hmy:
mega china:k bro. *dows Aztecs*
mega china:save me mega HRE, i'm your client state,help me out!hmy:
mega HRE: k china. *dows Aztecs*
*Aztecs see almost all of Eurasia red*
Aztecs:wtf, is this eu4?hmy:

....yeah lol

That's why a Far Eastern DLC should be a final one with a final patch for both the new expansion pack and the beta patch.

agreed.
china should be well thought out,its ok if china doesn't appear in ck2, but if ck3 comes out....it will be glorious to see mega china vs mega HRE in ck3.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

it will be glorious to see mega china vs mega HRE in ck3.

Now there's a game I won't be buying.

 

[killerbee256]

como você sabe o que a maioria pensa?
Você também está falando em Portugues não espanhol

Esto es español, este é Portugues

Eu sei o diferencias e porque sei-la sei que o diferencias são menor e não interferem com a compreensão da escrita. Mais da divergência de espanhol e português é fonética.

 

[Hvymtlboy]

it will be glorious to see mega china vs mega HRE in ck3.

Karling China... :blink:

 

[Susanna]

A China DLC is the last thing I want for CK 2.

 

[killerbee256]

china should be well thought out,its ok if china doesn't appear in ck2, but if ck3 comes out....it will be glorious to see mega china vs mega HRE in ck3.

Will the winner be able declare themselves "god emperor of Eurasia"?

 

[Sleight of Hand]

A China DLC is the last thing I want for CK 2.

Lucky you, as it will literally be the last DLC they do.

 

[Finnway]

Anger leads to Hate.
Hate leads to Suffering.
Suffering leads to the Dark Side.
~Yoda


In the interest of World Peace I think this thread should be closed. Let's leave our wars in CK2.

 

[DesNibelungen]

Polynesia would be fun! setting up trade posts,making money,than finally find the aztecs/inca! yay!but these shenanigans might happen if we go overboard....
Polynesia: oh hi Aztecs, wanna trade? you will get rich!
Aztecs: lolnope. *dows Polynesia*
Polynesia:save me Chinese emperor, who is my brother!shtf!hmy:
mega china:k bro. *dows Aztecs*
mega china:save me mega HRE, i'm your client state,help me out!hmy:
mega HRE: k china. *dows Aztecs*
*Aztecs see almost all of Eurasia red*
Aztecs:wtf, is this eu4?hmy:

The Aztecs aren't really in the CK2 timeline. The Aztec Empire wasn't founded until 1427. I realize you were making a joke, but based on other comments in the thread I think a lot of people are unaware of this and assume the Aztec Empire was much older than it was in reality.

Now if we can just get people to stop putting the Mings in the CK2 timeline.... :sad:

 

[toroltao]

The Aztecs aren't really in the CK2 timeline. The Aztec Empire wasn't founded until 1427. I realize you were making a joke, but based on other comments in the thread I think a lot of people are unaware of this and assume the Aztec Empire was much older than it was in reality.

Now if we can just get people to stop putting the Mings in the CK2 timeline.... :sad:

Ming is in the timeline. Wikipedia says it started in 1368.

 

[LFA]

What I want for the next DLC :
-Anything but China.
That's it.

 

[DesNibelungen]

Ming is in the timeline. Wikipedia says it started in 1368.

Sure, and technically the Aztecs are within the timeline. But the tendency to identify all of China as "Mings" and all of America as "Aztecs" during the whole CK2 period is a bit anachronistic.

 

[Susanna]

What I want for the next DLC :
-Anything but China.
That's it.

Amen.

 

[Tabris01]

If I may make an observation: Right now, it feels like the "Anti-China" fraction is more on the "I want" path then I'd have imagined the "Pro-China" one to be. It may be more productive, if you would take some distance from sentences like "-Anything but China" to "-Anything but China, because...", that would a) be far more helpfull for the conduct of a debate, and b) far more helpfull for the overall climate of the thread.
If I might recap my collection of arguments from before:

-pro:
-map cutting off mid-continent being arbitrary borders
-China and Eastern Asia in general being a major cultural and economic influence at least east of Constantinopel (can be done by adding flavor events)
-Being able to play the Mongols, or see them rise to power - or fail to do so - in conquering China, or prevent their rise all together
-In DLC existing Viceroys and planned Tribute mechanic being perfect to handle Chinas from Europe differing administrative workings

-contra:
-map extension, and thus more characters on map, being taxing on many PC's (can be solved by map extension being in the very last DLC not in a patch like RoI's, thus not important anymore for patching, thus enabling players to leave it out)
-Even the Viceroy mechanic is still based on European feudalism, thus not good to simulate China
-China being geographical isolated (except the Silk Road, necessitating an inland trade mechanic)
-Fleshing out what we already have being more important

From where I stand, nothing more has been added to this. Any additions?

Edit: After I reread the thread I'd add the number of sells as an argument stated by both sides of the debate

 

[ggggtotalwarrio]

Ming is in the timeline. Wikipedia says it started in 1368.

Latest start date is 1337 though, so you'd have to extend the game to even get them on the map, for a game lasting only 80 or so years.