Cro-Magnon Man said:
It's both!
All your goods go to the WM, but your pops get first shot at buying the things you've put on the WM.-
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It's both!
All your goods go to the WM, but your pops get first shot at buying the things you've put on the WM.
daedalus said:
Yeah, he said he DIDN'T worry about it when he was con mons/demos.
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Darkrenown said:It's both!
So.... your POPs buy at WM prices; however, if there is a global shortage, and you are still producing more than your POPs need, they will be able to buy (if they can afford the WM price) (?) That's kinda confusing.
Um? You're making it more confusing than it is. Everything you sell goes on the WM. Your pops get first shot at buying your goods from the WM and then countires and their pops buy in order of prestige.
rafiki said:Frankly, I have problems seeing how a slider, that just as well could be called "How much free money would you like" can be seen as anything else than a bug, eother you look at it from a reality point-of-view or from a gameplay point-of-view.
I think it is not total free! If you start produce consumer goods, or have a lot of clerks and change to democracy, then the tariff will soon go slow because of the free trade parties of clerks! Make choices between monarchy and democracy more interesting.
I always have budget trouble at the beginning with most country, until I stop selling paper and clothes with Prussia. Finally I can afford what I have at the beginning with medium spending in all fields!
And about the price increase for tarriff, I think if Paradox do it, they will still make some "free" money with tariff. The player already have free money in tax, where he can earn some 50% more than their POPs pay. If tariff is just another part taken from pop income, then it doesn't make sense to separate it from tax.
Cavalry said:
I assume you mean by way of tax efficiency. This however is part of systemic flaw in the calc of efficiency: there should be some scale that lowers the added value of each new efficiency bonus with decreasing marginal returns with 100% being impossible...
But that is of course assuming you want accuracy over ability to romp around and have fun WCing.
I can't help but have the feeling we are talking straight past eachother....Cavalry said:
That tariff income is reduced in certain circumstances (be it domestic production or political limitations or whatever), doesn't make it any less free. Apart from the CON-increase (which as I tried pointed out isn't much of a problem for a ConMon and usually a good thing for democracies), there are no adverse effects from imposing as much tariffs.
From a game-reality point of view, it means money basically grows on trees, from a gameplay point of view it makes imposing tariffs a "no-brainer" that everyone does as much as they can. The best parts of a strategy-game to me are the parts where doing something has both positive and negative effects and I need to evaluate and make a decision based on my prioirities. Tariffs in Vicky are currently not such a thing.
Rafiki
Just as a recap for everyone, my understanding of the effects of tarrifs is as follows (including all the precursor effects about what goods are bought) :-
Your POPs produce goods and the resulting production is sold according to your trade settings to the world market. Note that if you have set your trade to don't sell then the goods are stockpiled and not available for anyone to buy.
Your POPs spend their income on by the goods they want from the world market. Your POPs have first call on anything you sell to the world market and access to any further goods based on your relative prestige.
Tarrifs are collected as 'free money' (i.e. not affecting the price paid) on any goods your POPs have bought from foreign suppliers or world market stockpiles. No tarrif is collected on goods you sold into the world market. Tarrifs do not affect prices.
Any goods you sold into the world market stockpiles on previous days which your POPs are now buying back are subject to tarrifs. This is the only way you can collect tarrifs on domestic production. If you stockpile and then sell in bulk you collect no tarrifs on the day of sale but on subsequent days you receive tarrif income as your POPs buy back from the world market stockpile.
Note that tarrifs are dependent on your POPs financial ability to buy stuff as well as the availability of goods. If you stockpile all of your goods then your POPs will not be getting money to spend and levy tarrifs on.
Moving on to the political front. I am fairly sure that tarrifs can affect POP militancy directly. The political affects are a conciousness increase if a POP disagrees with the policies of your ruling party - note this is policy, not whether you are collecting tarrifs. And secondly, some POPs will have increased militancy if you are collecting tarrifs and I am assuming this is because of political objections to tarrifs. I haven't checked the exact characteristics but the militancy increase is definitely there (I assume that it is also affected by the rate of tarrifs but I haven't checked).
Clearly, whilst tarrifs do give free money, they are not risk free as you need a population who supports protectionist policies.
Your POPs produce goods and the resulting production is sold according to your trade settings to the world market. Note that if you have set your trade to don't sell then the goods are stockpiled and not available for anyone to buy.
Your POPs spend their income on by the goods they want from the world market. Your POPs have first call on anything you sell to the world market and access to any further goods based on your relative prestige.
Tarrifs are collected as 'free money' (i.e. not affecting the price paid) on any goods your POPs have bought from foreign suppliers or world market stockpiles. No tarrif is collected on goods you sold into the world market. Tarrifs do not affect prices.
Any goods you sold into the world market stockpiles on previous days which your POPs are now buying back are subject to tarrifs. This is the only way you can collect tarrifs on domestic production. If you stockpile and then sell in bulk you collect no tarrifs on the day of sale but on subsequent days you receive tarrif income as your POPs buy back from the world market stockpile.
Note that tarrifs are dependent on your POPs financial ability to buy stuff as well as the availability of goods. If you stockpile all of your goods then your POPs will not be getting money to spend and levy tarrifs on.
Moving on to the political front. I am fairly sure that tarrifs can affect POP militancy directly. The political affects are a conciousness increase if a POP disagrees with the policies of your ruling party - note this is policy, not whether you are collecting tarrifs. And secondly, some POPs will have increased militancy if you are collecting tarrifs and I am assuming this is because of political objections to tarrifs. I haven't checked the exact characteristics but the militancy increase is definitely there (I assume that it is also affected by the rate of tarrifs but I haven't checked).
Clearly, whilst tarrifs do give free money, they are not risk free as you need a population who supports protectionist policies.
I think tariffs increase the CON of OPOPs with Free Trae as an issue, which will indirectly increase militancy.Kanitatlan said:
tariff in the game like trade tax or VAT nowadays. Trade tax and land tax are the two main income of many monarchs. No income tax those days! So I guess Paradox want player to be monarchy and enjoy tariff at the beginning, then change to democracy and tax later in the game, after many commercial research and a large industrial base. If you change this course and be democracy early, then you will have some disvantages!
