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It's that people want Rome 2. There will be violence on the streets if it isn't, and several African nations will be overthrown and forced into decade long civil wars, killing thousands. Even if it has already been confirmed that this isn't Rome 2, people will die.

Think about your actions Paradox.
 

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Yes, think about it Devs!

You wouldn't like to end like the Gracchi brothers now, would you?
 

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Rome 2 demand reminds me of all the "Is this CK2?!" demands XD
Rome 2 fans may be technically few in numbers, but were still far more numerous than anything they earned with their new IP's, MotE and Sengoku, so it probably be safer than constantly trying out new IP's.
 

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Rome 2 demand reminds me of all the "Is this CK2?!" demands XD
Rome 2 fans may be technically few in numbers, but were still far more numerous than anything they earned with their new IP's, MotE and Sengoku, so it probably be safer than constantly trying out new IP's.
Rome 1 wasn't incredibly popular, but for the matter, Ck 1 wasn't either.

If done properly, Rome 2 can be a huge seller imho.
 

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I think there's been more demand for Victoria 3.
Doubt it, maybe in Vicky forums but overall there is a much wider demand for Rome 2, especially after the Total War fiasco.
 

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Rome 1 wasn't incredibly popular, but for the matter, Ck 1 wasn't either.

If done properly, Rome 2 can be a huge seller imho.
Considering huge vacuum after release of R2: TW? It can be golden business.
 

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It's that people want Rome 2. There will be violence on the streets if it isn't, and several African nations will be overthrown and forced into decade long civil wars, killing thousands. Even if it has already been confirmed that this isn't Rome 2, people will die.

Think about your actions Paradox.
I'm really worried about this. International peacekeeping is already stretched. It'd be very irresponsible to not make Rome 2.
 

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There are TWO projects- that's enough to make everyone happy, right? :p

But if I have to choose- I prefer Vicky 3
I won't pretend that there's more demand for Vicky 3, but I'll say I'm rooting for it.
 

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Rome 1 wasn't incredibly popular, but for the matter, Ck 1 wasn't either.

If done properly, Rome 2 can be a huge seller imho.
Ck1 was incrediably popular and a good number on these forums considered it Paradox's best game (pre-CK2). And that is despite the absolutely atrocious UI, which makes that even more impressive.
 

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Ck1 was incrediably popular and a good number on these forums considered it Paradox's best game (pre-CK2). And that is despite the absolutely atrocious UI, which makes that even more impressive.
CK 1 was considered by most to have a good concept but a somewhat poor realization (especially at release!), due to bugs and messy mechanics. Also, it didn't sell as much as other products by Paradox: I don't think it sold more copies than EU: Rome. I seem to recall the devs saying that Rome had sold more copies than CK 1.

Anyway, CK 1 wasn't the best product by Paradox, and certainly it wasn't the most popular. It was by all means a niche game, and Paradox earned much more money from other games. Still, it got a wonderful sequel which became a best seller. So I wouldn't rule out the possibility of that happening to an hypothetical Rome 2: I think it'd do as good as EU IV or CK 2, if done properly and with the same standard. It'd sell much worse if it were a cheap spinoff like Sengoku, of course.
 

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Indeed Rome 2 is demanded on Paradox forums hugely.
I mean devs said already that it is not time yet for the game, but they should really be aware that their most loyal customer base (forum users) are demanding Rome 2 and Vicky 3 quite obviously.

think of it like a manifestation: it's not just random rally next to some ministry. it's really becoming a Tahrir-like manifestation, with lots of angry mob gathering here and there, and some distant explosive sounds :D

people are voicing their demands, hear, hear, King Johan!
 

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CK 1 was considered by most to have a good concept but a somewhat poor realization (especially at release!), due to bugs and messy mechanics. Also, it didn't sell as much as other products by Paradox: I don't think it sold more copies than EU: Rome. I seem to recall the devs saying that Rome had sold more copies than CK 1.
CK1 never had a normal Paradox dev cycle, was never marketed as much as Rome and still got an expansion 3 and half years after release. Yes it was full of messy mechanics (most from the UI being borderline unusable), but the ideas there were easily Paradox's most interesting - which were carried over to CK2. Vanilla CK2 was basically a reskin of CK1 with fantastic UI and that turned out to be Paradox's best selling game. Saying it wasn't incrediably popular is quite the revisionist considering it was the game most people clamored for a sequel, vocally, on the forums.

Anyway, CK 1 wasn't the best product by Paradox, and certainly it wasn't the most popular. It was by all means a niche game, and Paradox earned much more money from other games. Still, it got a wonderful sequel which became a best seller. So I wouldn't rule out the possibility of that happening to an hypothetical Rome 2: I think it'd do as good as EU IV or CK 2, if done properly and with the same standard. It'd sell much worse if it were a cheap spinoff like Sengoku, of course.
Yeah it wasn't their best product but there are many reasons for that. Which is why CK2 did so well and now is considered their best product.
 

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People are also clamoring for Rome 2, and EU: Rome had some really good ideas and concepts.

That's exactly what my thesis is, man.
 

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People are also clamoring for Rome 2, and EU: Rome had some really good ideas and concepts.
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Not nearly as much as people were for CK2. Not even close. The Rome forum has been dead for quite sometime, while CK's was fairly active for years. We got sort of derailed but I was originally responding to your claim that CK wasn't popular around here and other forums which was simply not the case.

I'd love to see Rome 2.. Rome had a great expansion after a bad initial release (no political system at release was a travesty) but it was pretty sad how it was sort abandoned afterwards. I'd hate for that to happen again. I'd prefer a Dark Ages attempt for the sake of something new and to fill the era gap :)
 

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  • Humble Paradox Bundle
  • Magicka 2
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings III: Royal Edition
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Dungeonland
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
That's because people are clamoring for it on other forums. I never open Rome's forum, for instance, because I don't play it anymore and I consider it badly realized, but I'd still want Rome 2 over any other Paradox title. The fact that there were so many people asking / wishing that this was Rome 2 should be a sign of that fact.
 
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