Well Established Dynasties at 1066 Game Start

[VenetianPriest]

Have the devs said anything about how long and well established dynasties will be handled in terms of renown, splendor, and dynastic legacies?

By 1066, dynasties like Robertian /Capetian, Fairhair/Yngling, ans Jimenez were already very well established. Also by that year, dynasties like Wessex and Carolingian were well past their zenith. By September 1066, there’s only one male member left living of the House of Wessex (doubtful he’ll even be playable in CK3 vanilla). Will these dynasties start off with a blank slate and at the bottom in terms of splendor and dynastic legacies like the Habsburgs, a dynasty just getting started relatively?

Is there some advantage to playing an old dynasty or would that be too OP to give the House of Wessex, for example, a whole dynastic legacy completed by 1066?

There were prescripted bloodlines in CK2 for historical dynasties.

 

[Zhetone]

I doubt any will have completed legacies because it would shoehorn the player if they picked an established dynasty. My expectation is everyone will start at 0

 

[Pied-Noir]

Have the devs said anything about how long and well established dynasties will be handled in terms of renown, splendor, and dynastic legacies?

By 1066, dynasties like Robertian /Capetian, Fairhair/Yngling, ans Jimenez were already very well established. Also by that year, dynasties like Wessex and Carolingian were well past their zenith. By September 1066, there’s only one male member left living of the House of Wessex (doubtful he’ll even be playable in CK3 vanilla). Will these dynasties start off with a blank slate and at the bottom in terms of splendor and dynastic legacies like the Habsburgs, a dynasty just getting started relatively?

Is there some advantage to playing an old dynasty or would that be too OP to give the House of Wessex, for example, a whole dynastic legacy completed by 1066?

There were prescripted bloodlines in CK2 for historical dynasties.

Edgar Atheling wouldn't be landed in the first 1066 start, but in the second he could be earl of Oxford as William allegedly granted him land and titles in that area after the Conquest, but it was revoked a few years later following the 1068 revolt. However, it looks like CK3 will not have a second 1066 start (with William as king).

The senior Carolingian dynasty was extinct by 1066; the family in Vermandois were the Herbertian bastard line and shouldn't be Carolingians (though they can still be part of the overall House Karling of course)

Speaking of great dynasties in 1066, I hope Aelfwine (Harold Harefoot's son) is a courtier in Toulouse again. He's the last male descent of Cnut.

 

[VenetianPriest]

I doubt any will have completed legacies because it would shoehorn the player if they picked an established dynasty. My expectation is everyone will start at 0

If there is to be a tangible benefit for choosing one of the established dynasties, perhaps the player at game start, assuming they are playing the dynasty head, could begin with game with a few thousand points in renown to spend on dynastic legacies. Perhaps not enough to fill out a tree, but maybe 2-3 legacies.

This would give the player some agency.

 

[Battlex]

If there is to be a tangible benefit for choosing one of the established dynasties, perhaps the player at game start, assuming they are playing the dynasty head, could begin with game with a few thousand points in renown to spend on dynastic legacies. Perhaps not enough to fill out a tree, but maybe 2-3 legacies.

This would give the player some agency.

Bloodlines in ck2 for historic dynasties were pre set, so I'd prefer dyasntic legacies to be filled in, although preferably not fully

Edgar Atheling wouldn't be landed in the first 1066 start, but in the second he could be earl of Oxford as William allegedly granted him land and titles in that area after the Conquest, but it was revoked a few years later following the 1068 revolt. However, it looks like CK3 will not have a second 1066 start (with William as king).

The senior Carolingian dynasty was extinct by 1066; the family in Vermandois were the Herbertian bastard line and shouldn't be Carolingians (though they can still be part of the overall House Karling of course)

Speaking of great dynasties in 1066, I hope Aelfwine (Harold Harefoot's son) is a courtier in Toulouse again. He's the last male descent of Cnut.

Can bastards create cadet branches as they can never be 3rd or more in line, or a new dynasty if they have a child?

 

[VenetianPriest]

Can bastards create cadet branches as they can never be 3rd or more in line, or a new dynasty if they have a child?

I am not certain if they’ve directly said bastards can create cadet dynasties. Given that bastards can be legitimized, I would think bastards would have to be included in the dynasty. I would argue they should automatically form a cadet branch, even if they are the sole heir of a character.

 

[VenetianPriest]

Can bastards create cadet branches as they can never be 3rd or more in line, or a new dynasty if they have a child?

I am not certain if they’ve directly said bastards can create cadet dynasties. Given that bastards can be legitimized, I would think bastards would have to be included in the dynasty. I would argue they should automatically form a cadet branch, even if they are the sole heir of a character

 

[Ezumiyr]

From a gameplay perspective it would make no sense to have pre-filled legacies. It's supposed to be part of the player progression.
I expect all legacies to start at zero in all start dates.

 

[Battlex]

From a gameplay perspective it would make no sense to have pre-filled legacies. It's supposed to be part of the player progression.
I expect all legacies to start at zero in all start dates.

its the legacy of a dynasty, so why doesnt it make sense for old dynasties

 

[Atalvyr]

The Jimenez dynasty in the live stream started with a level 1 tradition filled out IIRC.

 

[Jabanoss]

In the very first Dev Diary they mentioned:

There’s a myriad of Legacies to choose from, all divided into tracks with an appropriately thematic name, such as ‘Kin’, ‘Guile’ or ‘Blood’. These aim to represent notions the world had (or has) about certain dynasties, i.e., that the Seljuks are warriors, the Abbasids lawmakers, the Habsburgs diplomats (and, ahem, prone to marrying their own kin), etc. Each Legacy track contains five unlocks, each costing a progressively higher amount of Renown to unlock.

The Habsburgs are of course not at their peak in 1066, but I would be surprised if the Abbasids and Seljuks don't have any legacy from the start to portray them appropriately.
Dev Diary #1: Dynasties and Houses

Of course this could just be flavor text to get the reader's imagination going.

 

[VenetianPriest]

The Jimenez dynasty in the live stream started with a level 1 tradition filled out IIRC.

I rewatched the stream looking for this. Alex was not the dynasty head when Jimenez accumulated 1000 renown. The AI dynasty head choose the first Erudition perk. Jimenez only had one perk unlocked by the end of the stream, but they had 900 renown at the beginning of the 1066 game start.

Now I wonder if dynasties will begin with different levels of renown and how that is figured.

 

[VenetianPriest]

In the very first Dev Diary they mentioned:

The Habsburgs are of course not at their peak in 1066, but I would be surprised if the Abbasids and Seljuks don't have any legacy from the start to portray them appropriately.
Dev Diary #1: Dynasties and Houses

Of course this could just be flavor text to get the reader's imagination going.

I definitely think that was just flavor text.