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Just want to congratulate Paradox for the new feature that makes League Wars possible in post-Reformation Europe. The appearance of Protestantism on the European map is no longer a peripheral, primarily aesthetic change affecting a few countries. In my current game (as Reformed Poland in 1570) it has reduced all of Central Europe to a bloodbath, with multiple 50-100k coalition armies rampaging through Austria, Bavaria, Brandenburg, and the Rhineland. It's about half a century early for the Thirty Years' War, but that's OK - I'm imagining that the Peace of Augsburg never happened in 1555, so the big confrontation came a bit sooner.

I've mostly been focusing eastwards, leaving the HRE to its own internal dynamics, and France and Austria remaining equally matched for the first 150 years of the game. When the Reformation began around 1505 (in Bohemia, Bavaria, and The Knights-controlled Rhodes (!)) a good 50% of the HRE turned Protestant within a couple of decades, and my decision to go Reformed helped persuade a few German minors to do the same. (Interestingly, Scotland remained intact until the early sixteenth century, and also became a Reformed centre, but sadly it was eaten up by England shortly afterwards).

A couple of years ago Protestant Bavaria started the war, and I was called in on the Protestant side by my ally Bohemia. France has joined the Protestant coalition, as has Portugal, while Spain and a load of Italian and South German minors have joined Austria on the Catholic side. Protestant Brandenburg has done a Maurice of Saxony and joined the Catholic side - I will be sure to punish this Judas of a state for its betrayal of the Reformation cause....

Here's a screenshot of the participants on either side - it's by far the biggest war I've ever seen in EUIV.

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that looks great fun, i like how protestants are not now easily crushed in the HRE, given a proper chance to fight back if pressured by the emperor.
 

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Byzantium,Naxos,Serbia,Cyprus and Crete in the east alive and kicking.Scandinavia +Spain with 3-4 CNs formed.France not superblobed with Brittany independent and schooling her on the seas and in the middle of it all a league war with a gazillion of nations taking part in it.For the love of god post a screenshot of Europe pls.
 
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Byzantium,Naxos,Crete,Cyprus and Crete in the east alive and kicking.Scandinavia +Spain with 3-4 CNs formed.France not superblobed with Brittany independent and schooling her on the seas and in the middle of it all a league war with a gazillion of nations taking part in it.For the love of god post a screenshot of Europe pls.

Haha same here, in my inca game (so no intervention on my part) Naxos, byzantium (in Chios) and morea/athens are still alive in 1650, same for britanny althought she's a bit crippled, fact is ottomans seem to have trouble stomping on the mamelukes and the timurids since the patch (thanks to the new provinces I suppose).

The league system looks really great, HRE just turned full protestant after the last league war and I have to say it was impressive, also the fact that AI now transfers sov even if it has a strategic interest in the province helps little warleaders (3 province Hansa in my case) to dominate.
 

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Byzantium,Naxos,Serbia,Cyprus and Crete in the east alive and kicking.Scandinavia +Spain with 3-4 CNs formed.France not superblobed with Brittany independent and schooling her on the seas and in the middle of it all a league war with a gazillion of nations taking part in it.For the love of god post a screenshot of Europe pls.

OK! Six years on and the war is still going, but I think Austria will give in soon (80+% WS and it's still turning down peace offers from Bavaria...)

It is weird how long the minors in the eastern Mediterranean survived. Cyprus and Crete are Protestant because of The Knights being the first Protestant Centre of Reformation, but Rhodes itself is Catholic again (I think Venice forced religion on them).

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Wow even more goodness was hidden.Great Portugal,Munster wtf,Montenegro+Croatia+Ragusa.Even that drunken Naples in the middle of the Balkans is amazing.Is this ironman(lucky nations on)?
 

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Yes, if only France joined Protestants more often. In my game those wars never happened, because on Catholic side there were: Russia, France, Austria (Emperor), Spain, England and most german and french minors. On protestant: Prussia (me), Ottomans, Bohemia, Denmark and maybe 10 other minors. There was no way to win this.
 

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I'd love it if the pace of the Reformation, conversions, and the League War was slowed down just a bit. I also didn't even have a chance to join one group or the other before the war got started!

I also feel like we need some other kind of league war, sort of like the Schmalkaldic War, before league wars.

Otherwise, I love everything about it.
 

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Wow even more goodness was hidden.Great Portugal,Munster wtf,Montenegro+Croatia+Ragusa.Even that drunken Naples in the middle of the Balkans is amazing.Is this ironman(lucky nations on)?

Yes and yes. I don't have an explanation for all the OPMs in the east, except perhaps that the Ottomans have seemed preoccupied with their Middle Eastern neighbours for the whole game, and neglected to expand much in the Balkans. (Naples had Albania and parts of Serbia at one point).
 

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I've led (as Scotland) the initial conflict to a victory over Austria, thanks in large part to my allies France and Denmark (with intact PUs) but the catholic league came back with a vengeance. The second war saw the additions of Spain, Portugal, Muscovy and Ottomans on the catholic side. England's their war leader and their european territory is fully occupied, but I'm pinned on the island by Spain and Portugal's navy, England has a couple colonial provinces preventing full occupation, and it's an absolute slaughter on the continent. War score from battles is slowly driving the score towards -50.
I figure this one is probably gonna be a loss.

How does this thing work when you're not a member of a league? Because as far as I know neither Ottomans nor Muscovy nor Spain were allied with England, and they were not members of the catholic league, so I'm wondering what mechanic allowed them to participate.

Edit: After checking the leagues, everyone is indeed in there. Either I missed a ton of join league messages or they bugged or something.
 
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