Weird borders in iberia

[barnabas]

I'm no history expert, but the current county and duchy borders in Iberia look extremly artificial and provinces look big when compared with other areas of western europe.

For example why do Calatrava and la Mancha belong to the duchy of Cordoba? In the first place I always thought Campo de Calatrava was a part of la Mancha, in the second place the area was part of the Taifa of Toledo during de muslim rule and part of the Kingdom of Toledo after the reconquista, so I don't see what's the relationship with Cordoba?

There's the huge province of Granada as well? Taifa of Jaen? Taifa of Baeza? where are those? County of Granada is as big as 3 english duchies put together. It's just lazy.

And de jure Portugal in 1066? down to Algarve? Portugal was a county in Leon in 1066. Why do Portugal and Aragon get their XIV century borders at game start and Castille doesn't? I'm sure there's a reason for this but I just can't think of it.

 

[barnabas]

I'm no history expert, but the current county and duchy borders in Iberia look extremly artificial and provinces look big when compared with other areas of western europe.

For example why do Calatrava and la Mancha belong to the duchy of Cordoba? In the first place I always thought Campo de Calatrava was a part of la Mancha, in the second place the area was part of the Taifa of Toledo during de muslim rule and part of the Kingdom of Toledo after the reconquista, so I don't see what's the relationship with Cordoba?

There's the huge province of Granada as well? Taifa of Jaen? Taifa of Baeza? where are those? County of Granada is as big as 3 english duchies put together. It's just lazy.

And de jure Portugal in 1066? down to Algarve? Portugal was a county in Leon in 1066. Why do Portugal and Aragon get their XIV century borders at game start and Castille doesn't? I'm sure there's a reason for this but I just can't think of it.

Sorry wron forum, I thoght I was in the general forum

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

I'm no history expert, but the current county and duchy borders in Iberia look extremly artificial and provinces look big when compared with other areas of western europe.

For example why do Calatrava and la Mancha belong to the duchy of Cordoba? In the first place I always thought Campo de Calatrava was a part of la Mancha, in the second place the area was part of the Taifa of Toledo during de muslim rule and part of the Kingdom of Toledo after the reconquista, so I don't see what's the relationship with Cordoba?

There's the huge province of Granada as well? Taifa of Jaen? Taifa of Baeza? where are those? County of Granada is as big as 3 english duchies put together. It's just lazy.

And de jure Portugal in 1066? down to Algarve? Portugal was a county in Leon in 1066. Why do Portugal and Aragon get their XIV century borders at game start and Castille doesn't? I'm sure there's a reason for this but I just can't think of it.

Most of that answers to gameplay reasons. Portugal all the way down to Algarve is a way to point the new kingdom of Portugal to the "right direction". Castille doesn't get its XVth Century borders because of the "kingdom of Andalusia". After all, the king of Castile were also "Kings of Jaén, Sevilla, Córdoba, Granada..." That is, kings of all Andalusia, which was juridically NOT Castille. At least, not until the XVth Century.

I would prefer that Andalusia was a creable nominal kingdom and the De Jure christian kingdoms were set as in the first treaty of partition: Castille all the way down to Gibraltar, and Aragon getting Molina, Cuenca, Soria and Valencia down to Múrcia. Such are the treaties negociated in the treaty of Tudilén (except for Soria and Molina, which were inside Aragon until Alfonso the Battler's death, during which Castile "stole" them and only gave Zaragoza back.).

Check out this mod, it looks much better. Not finished, though:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-Charta-Europaea-Nova-New-European-Map/page11

Also, which duchies do you propose? La Mancha was never an actual jurisdictional division, but we can follow the different "kingdoms" established by the Castillians (Jaén, Córdoba, etc) as duchies.