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Re: Re: Re: Weekly Screenshots

Originally posted by Nikolai II
I sure hope they put no oil in Saudi Arabia, AFAIK that oil, just as Libyas oil, is after the period.

The main sources of oil in the period should be:

United States (*very* high proportion)
Southern USSR
Venezuela
Indonesia
Persia
Iraq
Romania

Have I missed any?
 

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Originally posted by mweisner
Is it just me or is this screenshot loads better than the alphas in the gamespot interview?

Just goes to show all that... how to put it... concern about the image quality of the graphics engine was unwarranted.

The drop of oil at Lagos indicates that you are still looking at the economy mapmode only. :)

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Weekly Screenshots

Originally posted by Keplerus


The main sources of oil in the period should be:

United States (*very* high proportion)
Southern USSR
Venezuela
Indonesia
Persia
Iraq
Romania

Have I missed any?

Nono of the majors AFAIK, but getting access to most of the american oil would almost require an invasion, since AFAIK it wasn't rationed during the war (I can easily be wrong) but used freely by civilians.

I also must eat some humble pie already since Arabian oil started on some scale 1938 ..

One link

I haven't had time to look it up more, and my WiF is safely locked up in the basement and quite unaccessible.
 

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Saudi Oil

Originally posted by Nikolai II


I sure hope they put no oil in Saudi Arabia, AFAIK that oil, just as Libyas oil, is after the period.

Saudi Arabian oil was discovered in the 30's (I think '32). The Brits and American were beginning to build the oilfields in the late 30's, and they produced progressively more throughout the period.. In 1936 the production was negligable, but 10 years later it was quite significant. I think I can find numbers and I'll post them when I do...
 
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Saudi Arabian oil was discovered in the 30's (I think '32). The Brits and American were beginning to build the oilfields in the late 30's, and they produced progressively more throughout the period.. In 1936 the production was negligable, but 10 years later it was quite significant. I think I can find numbers and I'll post them when I do...

Saudi Arabia *did* produce oil during the HOI game period, but only in significant quantities after 1944 when the Arabian American Oil Company (Aramco) began large-scale operations there. It'll be interesting to see how the game represents this - hopefully not by simply plonking down an oil resource marker in 1936, because this would skew mid-east politics unrealistically.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Weekly Screenshots

Originally posted by Keplerus


The main sources of oil in the period should be:

United States (*very* high proportion)
Southern USSR
Venezuela
Indonesia
Persia
Iraq
Romania

Have I missed any?

that sounds about right... How much oil was Venezuela producing at the time? I had always they didn't start producing in large quantities until after the '73 embargo, but I'm probably wrong...
 
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Originally posted by pavlovs_dog
How much oil was Venezuela producing at the time? I had always they didn't start producing in large quantities until after the '73 embargo, but I'm probably wrong...

There was already an important petroleum export trade by the outbreak of WWII. In the early years of the war sales dwindled because of transportation shortages and the dangers of transatlantic oil shipments during the Battle of the Atlantic, but towards the end of the war Venezuela enjoyed a massive boom in profits from its glut of previously unsold petroleum.
 

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Its good for barges...as its very old but for ( days of cotton )tankers and cargo ships...never in a month of Sundays:D

I thought Liverpool was the chief port behind London during the war...it sure got bombed pretty good...

I have to admit it would be funny watching a destroyer escort a convoy down the canal:)

Btw Happy Birthday...

Now be a good fellow and go and get sloshed somewhere!!
 
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Re: Re: Saudi Oil

Originally posted by Keplerus


Saudi Arabia *did* produce oil during the HOI game period, but only in significant quantities after 1944 when the Arabian American Oil Company (Aramco) began large-scale operations there. It'll be interesting to see how the game represents this - hopefully not by simply plonking down an oil resource marker in 1936, because this would skew mid-east politics unrealistically.

So I am hoping that one can expand production in-game, as '44 is previous to '46-47. Maybe also build some a-historical ones that was know about but not in use, or even realize why Libyan well-water tastes like sh*t and start drilling.

And I might as well join into the chorus of congratulations :)
 

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Come on people, put tons of oil resources in the Mideast. it'll make the Mid East more important strategically. :) .
BTW i'm glad that the provinces are drawn more to scale than in the Gamespot Screens :rolleyes:
 

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And happy B-Day too :cool:
 

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not that its the end all be all WiF claims the following oil resources

1 Argentina
1 Austria
1 British Guyana
1 Burma
1 Canada
1 Columbia
1 Germany
2 Iraq
2 Mexico
5 NEI
3 Persia
3 Rumania
1 Saudi Arabia
17 USA
10 USSR
6 Venezuela


btw the rules and charts to WiF can be had from the beta of the computer version.

http://www.marinacci.com/Chris/
 

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Ah, yes, I remember those WiF points. They were assigned for the effect, not in relation with the real production.

I have detailed data (I will post them tonight) but in short, America's share in world oil production exceeded 65%. That production was located in the United States, Venezuela and Mexico too.

The second region, far behind, started in the Caucasus and went south to the persian and iraqui oil fields.

The third, again far behind the second, was modern world Indonesia.

The rest, including Romania, Burma, etc, was negligible in comparison.

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Fuel was rationed in the U.S. during the war, but the book I read claimed that the problem was not oil, which was plentiful. The idea behind it was to reduce rubber needs.

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An additional idea - pipelines. The pipelines from the iraqui fields to the mediterranean were vital for the british war effort in the mediterranean (there were two, one to Haifa and other to French Lebanon), for example. And the U.S. built one big pipeline from the Gulf to the northen states were the industries were located (that pipeline was far more economical than a continuous stream of tankers, and in addition avoided the terrible losses that U-boats were inflicting on the allied merchant fleets in that area).
 

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Originally posted by mweisner


Did you see a smiley?

I think that the ship images in the convoy running section of this new pic compared to the old one is evidence of a lot of work on the graphics. It appears to me that this new one is crisper and all that but ultimately such things are a matter of perception.

To each their own.


Oops... my err... I thought you meant that 'load times' had anything to do with final in-game graphics quality... and that was just too crazy.