Weekly Dev Diary #6 - Tributaries and More

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Greetings, fellow gamers! Today's Horse Lords dev diary is about Tributary states, Succession in Nomad realms and Dynamic Mercenaries... but let us start with Tributary states!

The Crusader Kings vassalage system has served us fairly well, but in our design discussions, we often return to the problem of "degree"; that is, what are the terms of the contract, exactly? How tight should the contract be in non-Feudal realms, etc. Various improvements have been suggested, such as a "vassalage strength" value (a bit similar to Crown Authority, but for each vassal.) However, most of these ideas stumble on their complexity and the required amount of micro-management. When we were talking about the Nomads of the steppes, though, we really needed a looser type of subordination than outright vassalage. That is why we decided to introduce the concept of Tributaries (which we originally conceived of as a Nomad-only power, but soon chose to make available to all rulers as long as you have the expansion.)

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In Horse Lords, there are two new Casus Bellis related to Tributaries; "Make Tributary" and "Free Tributary" (doing exactly what they sound like.) On the map, the names of Tributary states are no longer shown, though they retain their own colors in the Realms map mode. Tributaries pay a monthly tax to their suzerain and cannot refuse the suzerain's call to wars. However, the suzerain is also expected to protect their tributaries. Apart from this, tributaries are still autonomous. A tributary can only have one suzerain (though the suzerain can be a regular vassal of another ruler's.) The tributary status ends on the death of either ruler, and tributaries can declare wars to free themselves, of course...

Now, let us return to the steppes and talk a bit about their unique form of succession... In reality, this was a complex matter that could be represented in many different ways, but since we already have various elective forms of succession, we decided to make it a bit less direct and more distinct (and no, it is not the horrible Ultimogeniture.:)) In short, among Nomads, the most prestigious son or brother inherits. Minors can inherit Clan rule, but not the tribal Khaganate. Prestige, you say? But isn't that a bit boring? Yes, the player should get some control over the choice of heir. That's why we are introducing the concept of Dynamic Mercenaries.

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What you do, as a Nomad ruler, is send out your most promising sons and brothers to prove their mettle in the wide world. They will then take some of your Manpower and appear as a Mercenary Band, available for hire by rulers in the general region. As they earn money, the size of their regiment will increase. There are various new events for them as they experience adventures in the court of their employer, on distant battlefields, etc. You will receive notifications about the more significant escapades, and if you happen to be their employer, you are also likely to get some fascinating interactions. In general, dynamic mercenaries tend to increase their skills and gain Prestige, but it is, of course, also a dangerous life... The idea is to foster a strong heir by letting them prove their worth and gain enough Prestige to succeed you.

Crusader Kings II - Dynamic Mercs.jpg


The system with dynamic mercenaries is currently locked to Nomads only, but it is very easy to mod and we are likely to expand on it in future expansions. That's all for now folks. Next week; the Silk Road and Raiding Adventurers!
 
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I'm really happy about the dynamic mercenaries. I'm looking forward to modding them into the game for other rulers. Great stuff!
 
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That is why we decided to introduce the concept of Tributaries (which we originally conceived of as a Nomad-only power, but soon chose to make available to all rulers as long as you have the expansion.)
Oh dear....
Yes!
 
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That is why we decided to introduce the concept of Tributaries (which we originally conceived of as a Nomad-only power, but soon chose to make available to all rulers as long as you have the expansion.)

The system with dynamic mercenaries is currently locked to Nomads only, but it is very easy to mod and we are likely to expand on it in future expansions.!
; the Silk Road and Raiding Adventurers!
Why do I have all these feels? :oops:
 
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Love what you guys are doing with this expansion! A question though, will the Muslim North African states in the 769 start date become tributaries, or will they stay independent? I recall in an earlier Charlie dev diary that they're independent 'cause they don't really fit the then-current vassalage system, but they were nominally under the Caliph.
 
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Sounds good - a question though - Do you have to declare war for someone to become tributary, or can you also ask them "politely" like when asking someone to become your vassal?

It seems as a loot of work to first conquer, and then soon after letting them all go when your ruler dies.
Could there not be a chance of the tributaries continuing their tributary with the new ruler? If it works best for them that way and they like him, instead of standing alone out there on the steppes…?

EDIT- Why is the Dynamic Mercenary thing not also available for Pagans for example? Would fit great I think, as they also value prestige a lot in their life….
 
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That is why we decided to introduce the concept of Tributaries (which we originally conceived of as a Nomad-only power, but soon chose to make available to all rulers as long as you have the expansion.)

Woot. :)

This expansion is looking to be cool.
 
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Very interesting, especially the dynamic mercenaries.
Maybe this should be avaliable to norse too.
 
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I'm not sure I like the idea of tributaries being forced to DoW. That's sort of the opposite of the point of a tributary. I think the ideal would be they sit out wars and they can have multiple states they pay tribute to.
 
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Is there any way to 'upgrade' a tributary into a full vassal?
 
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...and we are likely to expand on it in future expansions.

Best bit of the Dev Diary for me. I hope there are a few more years left in it.
 
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Oh this is marvellous. Thank you Paradox.
 
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