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admiral drake said:
the german +sicily +milan alliance have been arround for far longer then the western alliance , infact reason flandern allyd was 1reason flandern needed allys to end the gangbangs everything a war over 1stuppid core or something happend

Oh yes, you're quite the innocent victim, Drake.

Flandern only needed allies to prevent gangbangs because you created the environment in which gangbangs were standard. What were the first two player wars Flandern fought? A two on one against me and a two on one against Germany. Oh poor you.
 
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Mrlifford said:
... Drake just pointed out that Milan/Sicily/Germany have been pretty much allied most of the game as well. Adding Muscowy to that mix has pretty much cemented in the Western Alliance :(

... well, hopefully with the new monarchs times will be a' changing

...Except when we were killing eachother (and being killed... by Flandern) at the beginning of the game...
 

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Just Too Uber said:
Oh yes, you're quite the innocent victim, Drake.

Flandern only needed allies to prevent gangbangs because you created the environment in which gangbangs were standard. What were the first two player wars Flandern fought? A two on one against me and a two on one against Germany. Oh poor you.

hmmm you where invading sicily i couldn't let that happend
and germany , i was helping youre ass as germany had you boxed in by allyng austria , besides you only fought austria ai iirc so notexactly 2vs1 either
 
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Just Too Uber said:
Oh yes, you're quite the innocent victim, Drake.

Flandern only needed allies to prevent gangbangs because you created the environment in which gangbangs were standard. What were the first two player wars Flandern fought? A two on one against me and a two on one against Germany. Oh poor you.

gangbangs standard thats bs , i don't recall you ever forming coalition vs you over a lost prov , i could understand if you and germany tempery allyd to take provs back but point remains you guys started the perm alliance crap and then complained about western alliance

that war where i was after my maps was stuppid to , only 30k standing whle you had rm , and you knew i was youre enemy
 

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Please consider Sicily diplomatic situation as :
- Sicily is part of the great German/Milanese/Muscowyte alliance
-She considers, of course, and pray the others players to consider her new diplomatic position, avoiding each past action made by Shigure

Id like to recall the one in charge of editing to make an exchange between Bukhara and Sicily : Cataract to Sicily and Sinai to Bukhara.
 

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sorry for spamming this thread btw just realised howmuch posts i made...... eitherway ill shut up
both sides made mistakes , i warred on my own early wich jtu/drew didn't apreciate as they both lost :rolleyes:
and i didn't see it coming when you guys ganged on me
 
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youre coalition started with milan and germany after both of you lost a single war vs me
-leon was mainly out for gains
-sicly i dunno why he joined milan against me after me savng his ass vs milan earlyer either

-situation was simple , under pibe milan was threatening to become uber a he gathert huge aliance ect , germany-flandern made a deal
-pibe left jtu joined situation changed milan took different path so deal was off instead germany was then threatening to ake most of germany with alliance while milan was getting boxed in wich had to be stopped
-germany attacked i gained my 2coreprovs only even tho i reached german capitol (can't say my demands where alot)
-milan was just a target of opurtonity as he had my other core and baden ....

fighting bth milan and germany was meaned to keep wars over small areas of germany going between all 3factions tho i was wrong , milan -germany allys deviding most of germany for themself wich as originally suposed to be a area of conflict


you guys ganged me after taking 4provs from me directly and about another 6-8provs from ai compared to my former gains you shouldn't be talking nor complaining about my "agression"

coalition was born forcing me to ally schotland
drew made attempts to convince me to punish hypertechers obviously meaning schotland , tho i dowed leon unaware they made the coalition into a permanent unoficial alliance that was the last attempt in this game to fight a 1vs1 war ever , and where sicily was alowed to dow schotland with crt advantage for me it was considert a valid reason to call entire central europe to arms against me while the war was originally only over stuppid acces !

Ugh, revisionist history. Revisionist history without even a pretense towards spelling and grammar, too. Oh the humanity.

This is how I remember things, anyone who wishes to fact-check me is welcome.

Beginning from the second session, where I took over Milan after being unable to play in the first session due to repeated computer fuck ups and, in the meantime, having my nation of preference eaten up:

-Milan attacks Sicilly. Flandern enters the war on Sicily's side with a suprise attack. (Whether or not this had been worked out beforehand is unknown).

-Milan and Sicily reconcile due to Sicily's desire to have a land power to serve as a bulwark against Flanders, Milan joins the Leon/Sicily alliance.

-Milan attacks Austria, a Germany ally (vassal?) for cores, Germany opposes and Flandern joins the war against them. (Milan and Flandern had made a pact beforehand)

-Milan and Germany realize the error of their ways in allowing Flandern to grow in such a way, Germany becomes unofficially associated with the Milan/Sicily/Leon alliance.

-Germany/Milan/Sicily/Leon attack Flanders/Scotland (not sure if Scotland joined in mid-war or if they had already been allied, so Drake's claims to his alliance with Scotland being the result of him being gangbanged can neither be proven nor disproven). Germany and Milan take two cores a piece from Flanders proper. Leon takes cores from AI allies of Flanders.

-Sicily attacks Scotland and sacks Edinburgh. War ends in white peace.

-The disparity between Flandern and the rest of Western Europe in military capability becomes more pronounced as Flandern begins a military buildup. Meanwhile the Reformation hits and Milan is forced to convert to Protestantism and leave the Leon/Sicily alliance. Being that there are no other Protestant powers at the time, Milan is completely isolated and badly lagging in military capability. Leon/Sicily/Milan/Germany pledge support to eachother though they are unable to ally.

-Flanders attacks Leon. Milan and Germany, as well as Leon's official ally, Sicily, join the war against Flanders. Scotland, having predicted such a response (and warned Flanders thusly), wisely does not enter the war. War ends in WP after Drake leaves the game.

So yeah, here's what the two "gangbangs" you were on the recieving end of work out to:

1.) Righteous vindication for past Dutch transgressions resulting in only one province actually *taken*, and the rest *returned.* (Not counting AI losses.)

2.) A massive diplomatic blunder your own ally warned you against and wanted no part in.

Once again, poor you.

As much of a bad economist and warrior I am, at least I'm not quite such a God-awful diplomat as Drake.
 

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Just Too Uber said:
As much of a bad economist and warrior I am, at least I'm not quite such a God-awful diplomat as Drake.

depends from game to game .... don't think i did bad in cqs2 or dbd
 

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Sitting Bull said:
I think your a great economist and a fuckin bad diplomat JTU


hehehe
now rasp i doubt he did worse then me at that part this game
 
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Sitting Bull said:
I think your a great economist and a fuckin bad diplomat JTU

Have you seen in what shambles my economy is in? Hardly worth mentioning.

But just because I've called you a bad player (which you are) on a repeated basis doesn't mean I'm not a good diplomat or insanely lucky to always be in a position where I'm "protected" more or less by my allies.

I've never burnt a bridge. Drake has.
 

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Wow, I play a couple of hours in-game and I come back to this, lol.

Drake is definitely leaving? Why?

Specterx, Since you are definitely leaving and we have a perm ready to take over would it be such a hardship if we turned Scotland over to him immediately so as to prevent you going on a warpath and possibly ruining the game for the people that are remaining? I don't know that you would do that but if you step down and let the new person take over now it will at least remove any possibility of that happening especially with the enjoyment both you and Drew get out of tormenting each other.

Is every nation filled going forward? There won't be any divying up now will there?
 
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Alright, this seems to be the player list:

Milan- Myself
Germany- Drew
Russia- Lifford
Bukhara- Veil
Golden Horde- Magyc
Leon- TAF
Byzantium- Frank
Scotland- Bocaj
Flanders- TPC
???- Rasputin

Liff, does this look about right to you?
 

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Mrlifford said:
* TPC is a reliable sub and all round good guy :D

Aw, shucks, Dave ... right back at ya. :D

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Bring your wily diplomatic moves :)

I promise that should I be in I will be as much of a political intriguer and bloodthirsty pursuer of world hegemony as ever. (Not to worry.) :p
 

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Veilwalker said:
Specterx, Since you are definitely leaving and we have a perm ready to take over would it be such a hardship if we turned Scotland over to him immediately so as to prevent you going on a warpath and possibly ruining the game for the people that are remaining? I don't know that you would do that but if you step down and let the new person take over now it will at least remove any possibility of that happening especially with the enjoyment both you and Drew get out of tormenting each other.

I don't think that's necessary, that's not the way I play, anyone here will tell you that. I don't have any particular plans to attack anyone, if Drew or whoever goes after Scotland, that's their problem.
 

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Just Too Uber said:
Yes, but you suck. Basically.

I wasn't watching too much over there in Italy but I think "you suck " is a little harsh ;) ... I guess we'll see come Wednesday
Inexperienced perhaps but we all were/are. The pausing I don't mind since it gives me a little break from running my vast, humungous, terrifyingly large empire :p
 
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