Wednesday Night Europa (New Game)

[Specterx]

Aye.... plus we've traditionally had a policy of no out of game province swap edits. Do it in game and take the stab hits and BB

Why?

 

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The edits aren't that hard to make. Done correctly (and I wouldn't do it any other way!) there's no reason it would make the game more unstable. I'd also point out that the in-game alternative would be ludicrously complex -- they'd have to break alliance, break marriage, declare war, hand a province over, declare war again, and hand the other province over, all for a friendly province exchange. I see no logical reason for the stability hits or the BB.

But I don't really care one way or the other. I'll go with whatever the group decides.

 

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The edits aren't that hard to make. Done correctly (and I wouldn't do it any other way!) there's no reason it would make the game more unstable. I'd also point out that the in-game alternative would be ludicrously complex -- they'd have to break alliance, break marriage, declare war, hand a province over, declare war again, and hand the other province over, all for a friendly province exchange. I see no logical reason for the stability hits or the BB.

But I don't really care one way or the other. I'll go with whatever the group decides.

My reasoning is that having to go through these hoops will discourage longterm ahistorical alliances/friendships/NAP's (I've come to detest NAP's! ) which make for a very dull game. Edited provinces imo tend to lead to peace and lame horse trading of provinces rather than force of arms.

If I know that my friendly neighbour has cores in my land... maybe I shouldn't RM them, or give away MA willy-nilly. RM's and MA's should be a rather rare beast and alliances should be fluid.

As for in game itself, swapping provinces in game should be a labourious undertaking. This will allow other nations to take advantage during the transition phase. Seeing Russia take 3 stab hits to do a province exchange adds to the fun and might present an opening to it's neighbours that wasn't there before. This to me only adds to the game.

..... anyway that's my game philosophy behind it

 

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Portugal moved to England. English capital moved to the Falklands.



Ottoman treasury given to England in a 10% interest loan lasting 200 years.

Glad to help!

Thanks!! :rofl:

 

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The edits aren't that hard to make. Done correctly (and I wouldn't do it any other way!) there's no reason it would make the game more unstable. I'd also point out that the in-game alternative would be ludicrously complex -- they'd have to break alliance, break marriage, declare war, hand a province over, declare war again, and hand the other province over, all for a friendly province exchange. I see no logical reason for the stability hits or the BB.

But I don't really care one way or the other. I'll go with whatever the group decides.

it's time to introduce such option in eu2, maybe Johan would agree

 

[Count Drew]

Well, I have to agree with Dave on a point here, once a person becomes an excessive Editor, they never seem change.<See: Revolutions Monday Game, the only thing not edited is HG's bootlaces> The original spirit of our games was to not rely on the editor to fix all of our problems and to make it all nice and rounded. In other games Editing taints the quality of the game and when someone can just say at the end of session I want that edited there or that edited over say on the yonder it leads to greater alterations. Leaving editing to the point where it's absolutely neccessary is the 'key'... People start making rules like, lets even up Infra for everyone. Let's give state gifts to everyone. Cause we're all amatuers lets lower Inflation 20 points for these guys...If you look at the bad that happens, it's the bad for everyone, cause everyone has their turn.

Now if it's a matter of keeping a player nation alive I change my opinion like in France's or Venice's Case...

 

[HolisticGod]

Drew,

Heh. Bless the enablers with links and sardonic smilies.

In A Revolution, I edited capitals, city names and country tags (Meaningless Fluff Category); large scale monetary exchanges where possible and AI-related corrections (Necessary and Harmless Category); friendly province exchanges (Somehow Causing a Few Snide Remarks From Two Players and Oft Seen In Practically Every Game I Have Ever Played Category); and the BB (Fair Solution To a Heinous Problem Caused By a Mid-Game Beta Patch the Flip Side of Which, As Seen in Hive's Thursday GC, Was Chronic, Game-breaking Civil War Category).

You wanted tech bumps. You wanted an edited partition.

So let's not close ranks with the angels, eh?

 

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Drew,

Heh. Bless the enablers with links and sardonic smilies.

In A Revolution, I edited capitals, city names and country tags (Meaningless Fluff Category); large scale monetary exchanges where possible and AI-related corrections (Necessary and Harmless Category); friendly province exchanges (Somehow Causing a Few Snide Remarks From Two Players and Oft Seen In Practically Every Game I Have Ever Played Category); and the BB (Fair Solution To a Heinous Problem Caused By a Mid-Game Beta Patch the Flip Side of Which, As Seen in Hive's Thursday GC, Was Chronic, Game-breaking Civil War Category).

You wanted tech bumps. You wanted an edited partition.

So let's not close ranks with the angels, eh?

angels? you have a deal with the devil

 

[Count Drew]

Drew,

Heh. Bless the enablers with links and sardonic smilies.

In A Revolution, I edited capitals, city names and country tags (Meaningless Fluff Category); large scale monetary exchanges where possible and AI-related corrections (Necessary and Harmless Category); friendly province exchanges (Somehow Causing a Few Snide Remarks From Two Players and Oft Seen In Practically Every Game I Have Ever Played Category); and the BB (Fair Solution To a Heinous Problem Caused By a Mid-Game Beta Patch the Flip Side of Which, As Seen in Hive's Thursday GC, Was Chronic, Game-breaking Civil War Category).

You wanted tech bumps. You wanted an edited partition.

So let's not close ranks with the angels, eh?

How many of my Purposed Edits were done in Revolutions? 0. <maybe I was playing with the idea out of boredom when I realized that any 'real' intregity had been underminded by a lack of Player Participation and a very annoying Presence. That or learning the Ropes and your true colors. You'd rather edit half the game than play it>I think when I was suggesting 2 or 3 edits you merely forced them down the throats of me and the other players rather than brought them up as I did. One thing a unanimous decision, another a Dictatorship.

In our current game, I'll give a "Prime Example" Of Game first, and player last. Dave who could've had his Spanish Bankruptcy event didn't whine and bicker and force edit down all of our throats and then say I'm going out to dinner, take this save or no save 15 minutes late. He played it out, without the Historical Gold, no Complaints. What a Man, no wonder I play with him and not you.

Another example. When OE in CQS had become tedious, you were "Let me Move ASAP!" And when Prussia became Tedious, "Let me Move ASAP!" Final Vote here: Like Hive, host your own games... and leave mein alone

every bit of lip you got in Rev was deserved... Stage a Coup, no stop dilly dallying with 400k dead by 1611 and fight a real War, and stop admiring Fantasia Nation Building 25% done through editing and the rest done by some actual Diplomacy and Gameplay. IN OUR Game it's 99.9% DONE BY the Player not the Editor

 

[HolisticGod]

Drew,

Everything in A Revolution was done through diplomacy and warfare, with a quarter through the former.

Editing is a tool of the gameplay, in those cases. Ideally, exchanging provinces (which happened in the period quite a bit) would be possible as it is in CK and Victoria. Unfortunately, that feature wasn't implemented, so we edit to mimic it.

It's still the same thing-and as it was never banned, I didn't need approval. I moved provinces for other players too, on the basis of diplomatic agreements.

I moved from Prussia at Dave's request and you know it, and I moved from the OE not out of boredom (I was still second in income and the inflation would've diminished eventually-nor was it crippling, though the days of the Ottoman Imperial Navy were surely over) but because BB needed a player or the game would've fallen apart. You ran the country into the ground, losing a third of monthly income in a session and botching wars against Russia.

As for the rest, it's all babbling nonsense.

 

[Count Drew]

No actually, when you come on Monday night, when you've been voted 7-1 not to have the Bad Boy edited down by a factor of 15 unless you're the Hanseatic then you're very wrong. Not only that you come in and say well, here is my save ::throwing at the team:: and that's all there is and we either play that or <I'm going to dinner, take it or else...hurry up, blah blah blah, excuse and BS>I'm outty, a Primary Major. We all know you forced what you wanted on 'everyone' not what everyone wanted. And if you read the Russian Thread and the Thread started who was Host and GM, you've got no respect and you never have and ultimately you'll reap what you sow.

The Agreed Edit was the release of Vassals and only those Nations above the BB limit get a Major cut... You strictly broke the Rules and everyone knows it and you're full of trash

In the case of the OE, I started off in the Draw as the OE. I gave it to you upon request as a Friendly gesture as you said you wanted it "soooooooo" Bad. Then I took on the Polish and gave that up for the betterment of gameplay to Mariusz someone who wanted a European to play with and since I'd promised him a position I took the Mughals. Who had 0 Inflation all game, and never lost a War and were your faithful Ally all game. I took the OE cause it couldn't be left empty and then fight on your and Dave's side for the same Loyalty but of course you don't remeber that do you? The Truth was by the time I got the OE it was quite pathetic, 45% inflation.. It never recovered and was the bitch of Every Major Leader and that's precisely when you left it. When it was losing. In fact that game is the only game I've ever seen you finish, ever. Then after that you participated in another game with the same team and left without an explanation of any kind... Annoying

Final Assumption:

In CQS when I threw a tantrum of you not showing up on time, you got pist a minute and then said I'm sorry, paraphrazing,"I'm one of the least accountable players in EU2 and have no grounds to talk any trash."

Drew,

Everything in A Revolution was done through diplomacy and warfare, with a quarter through the former.

Editing is a tool of the gameplay, in those cases. Ideally, exchanging provinces (which happened in the period quite a bit) would be possible as it is in CK and Victoria. Unfortunately, that feature wasn't implemented, so we edit to mimic it.

It's still the same thing-and as it was never banned, I didn't need approval. I moved provinces for other players too, on the basis of diplomatic agreements.

I moved from Prussia at Dave's request and you know it, and I moved from the OE not out of boredom (I was still second in income and the inflation would've diminished eventually-nor was it crippling, though the days of the Ottoman Imperial Navy were surely over) but because BB needed a player or the game would've fallen apart. You ran the country into the ground, losing a third of monthly income in a session and botching wars against Russia.

As for the rest, it's all babbling nonsense.

 

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How disappointing

 

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There is more bitching in this thread then in the 2 hour phone conversation I had with my friend last week.

 

[Count Drew]

There is more bitching in this thread then in the 2 hour phone conversation I had with my friend last week.

LE: I had to drink this awful stuff before Surgery on Friday. Errrr Lord Amen have Mercy. More saline and Lemon yuckiness than you've had in 50 shots of cuervo. I ain't drinking no more from a would be Demi-God on EU2 or any other theatre Mame. This place ain't owned by him and ain't ever gonna be as long as I am on this Forum, I am gonna be Deputy of my section of Town and I'm gonna shoot him down if he tries to come into my House. From now on he can go make his own Town and be Mr. God over there LOL he likes playing it so much

Oh, and Might I add, be Leary of that Ole Dog HG, he'll Mutiny Yer Vessel Mateys. You' might no seez it commin, but believe in what your own eyes see, Revolutions is clearly an HG, Product. Errrr, Arrrr, and I'll betcha you'll see more disgruntled Faces once a Real War amongst that Crew Erupts... and Ole Drew will sit back laughing drink from his cup, of Yummy Ale, no more Nasty Yellow stuff...No more HG And so far 45% agree

 

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Drew stop drinking and put down that pot you are smoking right now!

Be a good boy and sober up

 

[Fangnasher]

Noob advice

OK,

Ive avoided bankruptcy and managed to conquer the Scandanavian peninsula. Im avoiding minting money, however, my inflation is out of control. Can someone give some hints on how to actually keep inflation down or point me to a thread on the subject?

Thx
Fang (SimpleSOB)

 

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OK,

Ive avoided bankruptcy and managed to conquer the Scandanavian peninsula. Im avoiding minting money, however, my inflation is out of control. Can someone give some hints on how to actually keep inflation down or point me to a thread on the subject?

Thx
Fang (SimpleSOB)

Put your treasury slider all the way left. Otherwise you will gain inflation. If your slider goes to the right at all you will gain inflation.

 

[Specterx]

Even if you're monthly income is still in the negative, but the treasure slider is to the right at all, then your inflation will increase.

You should build Tax Collectors in every prov and try to survive only on your census tax (the money you get on Jan 1 of each year).

 

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I confirm my participation as Persia tonight.

 

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Hopefully I'll wake up in time for the session. I haven't been sleeping well lately...