Wednesday Game - The Friendly Time Zone

[unmerged(1631)]

As i said before, historicals with randoms (NOT UBBER RANDOMS BTW), or a game with only "decent randoms" is what i think would be the best. I dont think randoms should be awesome, because then, there would be no point to have a kickassing general like Farnense/Prinze Eugen/Napoleon, etc.

I just really hate MT if you didnt notice.

And well, it seems that even Daniel/Drake abuse the MT system by making "fake wars" with each other just to raise their MT in order to get good leaders, which, with all respect, seems a bit... gamey.

... The only game I've played with MT was our last one BE and I really didn't like that system too much. Early on in the game our Austrian player lashed out in one session with a lot of quick wars and wracked up 10 MT. He didn't care if he won or lost as long as he got his points. His next session's leaders were of course Gods striding the earth.

If I can decipher the math Ironfist's MT seems like a better system and I'm hopeful that with new faces (no old cynical veterans ) that it won't be abused. Perhaps we could put a 3 session sunset clause and then decide if it's working or not?

As for a sub, I'll fire up icq when I get home (it's been awhile since I've used that old program) and just leave a message if you've managed to find someone. If not, I'll ghost/screen watch for this session.

 

[Aleksidze]

All right, new proposal: No Historicals, No MT's, just plain olde Random Leaders. Waddaya think?

EDIT: Btw, I just read that the forums might be down for some time, so we could move this to Caslu's EU2 forums just in case. o

 

[Casluerj]

If we move there, I could grant Ironfist Moderator status and open a new forum for this game and everyplayer will be allowed to open threads in this forum for Diplomacy, etc.

 

[unmerged(60520)]

If we move there, I could grant Ironfist Moderator status and open a new forum for this game and everyplayer will be allowed to open threads in this forum for Diplomacy, etc.

Where is "there" exactly? I wouldn’t mind moving the game to a new forum if this forum is going to have problems (as it usually does)

OTOH It seems we haven’t reach to an agreement on what’s going to be about the leaders.

In favour of MT:

There won’t be such 10MT points leaders, the maximum number is 5; and in the first session when players usually fight many wars against the ai, the calculation is divided by an extra "2".

This system encourages WAR, something this game lacks when playing without any kind of incentive and when the ai has been doomed. At the same time it creates balance (high MP low MT and vice versa) while it avoids the unbalanced ubber leaders which some nations get creating "golden periods" for some nations and downfall for others. To me this system is balances and encourages fun.

In regards to fake wars, any war fought with the goal to increase the MT of both parties will be considered cheat and both players will get the minimal MT point (2.5) for next session. I will update the rules with this new one.

 

[Aleksidze]

But what about no historical leaders and just random ones (without the MT) that would solve a lot of issues and it's middle ground between Historicals and MT.

I wanted MT b'cause a hate the uberLeaders that some countries get. But I'm not a big fan of making MT calculations (I'm prolly not the only one that thinks this)... but if we just play with random leaders then the game would be more balanced, b'cause everyone has the same chance of getting equal leaders, no matter if you're a a warmonger or peaceful.

EDIT: Linky to Caslu's forum -> *http:*//ega.iforumer.com/index.php?mforum=ega without the asterisc

 

[unmerged(60520)]

Random leaders really affects balance, the fact that the higher the MP the lower MT balances things between small counties which have to fight with 200k units against huge countries which can recruit 400k or more.
An OE or Russia in the middle of the XVIII century with great leaders would be mostly unbalanced.

OTOH I have just learned how to use the MT generator and it’s really easy, the least you can get is a leader with stats of 2 and some 3; while the best you can get is a leader with stats of 5 and some with 1 or 2 of siege.
It’s almost like having random ones, the only difference is that the ones with lower MP and the ones who have fought more (this usually hurts your economy so it would include the poor ones) will have higher chances of getting better leaders than the others.

 

[BurningEGO]

Russia in the middle of the XVIII century with great leaders would be mostly unbalanced.

Russia gets suvorov in the middle of the XVIII century... ouch, unbalanced?

Tbh, that is what eu2 is all about. You need to make plans on how to use your good leaders. No nation has good leaders for the entire game. If i, Poland, and the OE of this game, agreed to only historical leaders, i dont know what is the problem, honestly. Poland/OE are maybe the nations that got the worst possible leaders in this roster for the bigger part of the game.

If we use the MT system, i just pray, that it will not cause nasty surprises.

 

[Casluerj]

Where is "there" exactly? I wouldn’t mind moving the game to a new forum if this forum is going to have problems (as it usually does)

EGA'sForum

Should I create a new forumtopic for this game?

 

[Aleksidze]

Russia gets suvorov in the middle of the XVIII century... ouch, unbalanced?

Tbh, that is what eu2 is all about. You need to make plans on how to use your good leaders. No nation has good leaders for the entire game. If i, Poland, and the OE of this game, agreed to only historical leaders, i dont know what is the problem, honestly. Poland/OE are maybe the nations that got the worst possible leaders in this roster for the bigger part of the game.

If we use the MT system, i just pray, that it will not cause nasty surprises.

I'm totally against Historicals, dude, im playing Denmark... it's like playing with Savoy or Livonian Order. o

But I want ot play as Denmark, so that's why I support the idea of no historical leaders, that way is more balanced, I don't like to make plans in advance or having a military golden age, I like to have equal chances in that matter for the entire game.

 

[unmerged(60520)]

Announcement:

I will give 3 generals and 1 admiral to:

England
France
Spain
Denmark

I will give 4 generals to:

Russia
OE
Austria
Poland

If anyone wants to change this pls say so, that way I can correct it.

 

[Aleksidze]

We're waiting in Valky NOW!

 

[unmerged(1631)]

We're waiting in Valky NOW!

Hey Guys, sorry my wife tabbed me out of EU and crashed me. On the plus side she gave me a new computer for my upcoming Birthday/Valentines day

I forgive her

If you need me to ghost/screen watch again just icq me... Otherwise I'll be back next week

 

[wryun]

Thanks for the game guys... tell me if Austria got dismembered before the end of the session. It was fun - particularly when Max started accusing me of being a 'noob who would fight forever' when he was starting to lose again and hadn't occupied one of my provinces in the whole war

 

[BurningEGO]

Thanks for the game guys... tell me if Austria got dismembered before the end of the session. It was fun - particularly when Max started accusing me of being a 'noob who would fight forever' when he was starting to lose again and hadn't occupied one of my provinces in the whole war

Wyrun- once you leave the game, your nation becomes a "ghost" and will not do anything, or react to any action another country may have upon it. So obviously it didnt get dismembered. However, i do have to speak with you so show up as soon as possible in icq

 

[BurningEGO]

Sorry for the double post, but where are the stats?

 

[unmerged(60520)]

STATS

 

[unmerged(66017)]

Thanks for the game guys... tell me if Austria got dismembered before the end of the session. It was fun - particularly when Max started accusing me of being a 'noob who would fight forever' when he was starting to lose again and hadn't occupied one of my provinces in the whole war

Hehehe.
Now I'm sure , that i wasn't wrong
I dont need provincess with german culture.
Caompare my inflation and yours.
For one poor province. I give it to you, because its was time, when longer fight can stop my economy o bit. :rofl:

 

[wryun]

What's 1.5% inflation between friends?

(BurningEGO: I had to go to work, hence no ICQ - will talk later)

EDIT: Though I'm wondering how I lost 12 galleys according to stats...

EDIT again: Hungary a vassal of Poland? Yes, we do need to talk

 

[Casluerj]

Sorry guys, my connection just died... It was very weird seeing all this lag with me... at least it is explained... She was dying...

Well, it is fixed already.

What happened to France?

 

[unmerged(60520)]

Sorry guys, my connection just died... It was very weird seeing all this lag with me... at least it is explained... She was dying...

Well, it is fixed already.

What happened to France?

Check the stats, you got a sub

EDIT: I have taken a picture of the political situation, but it seems I can’t upload it to the stats because it shows me an error web page. Do I need to upload the picture to another web page and then to the stats or is just something not working with the stats page?