Wait a second. OE's tech bumped crazy just because of so few years ghosted? I am sorry but that is too much and i will not play under such circunstances.
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Currently the OE has 3 infra and trade 3. He has been investing in LT long time ago. Now because of 25 years of ghosting he has the right to 3 very expensive cheap techs? By doing this you are giving the OE more then 40000d. Far more actually. Having such an edit like Palestine is already more then enough, since it would cost the OE 4 stability costs in the past to do so, and his stability costs are fairly high i supose. If this edit persists i will not even bother showing up today and will resign imediately.
Lifford you are the GM at this moment since Ironfist decided to leave us, and i hope you to act as such. Not as the Santa Claus.
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Casluerj said:
Pff. For one who lost 15 provinces already i dont think i will leave for loosing wars will i? And i hope you will refrain from saying things like these because they do offend me.
Nabukodonosor said:
You miss the point Nab - suposedly we are editing the OE's tech, to give them bigger infra and trade.
The OE, isnt investing anything.
This is the OE's current tech costs. Sum them all and the techs will cost 77559. Totally unbearable for me to have an edit like that, for only 25 of ghosting. I remember having Mioz crying over and over again just because i had 1000d edited in, in another game. Now, 77559d... He would kill himself.
If you sum that with the 4 stability costs (9332d) that it would take the OE to dow Aden for Palestine, (note that the current stability costs is not taking the BB into consideration yet! When i took the screenshot his BB was 0 so his stability costs in reality are even bigger!), it makes a gigantic sum of 86891d edited in. Now i understand why Jarski didnt bother about the stuff Sid did with the OE... with such brutal edits, neither would i.
BurningEGO said:
You got a little more...and then succesfully whined to make France (AI-ed just as long and ghosted longer) get significantly less than you got. That last fact is what made me...a little annoyed.
French economy couldnt be compared with my Spain's by 1520. Plus i was AIed, he was ghosted (after his silly AI decided to dow Austria). I lost my entire galley fleet on the Ocean... He didnt warn he was missing the session, and i did, still you decided to AI me when i told you to ghost instead. And didnt i have 1000d edited into the treasury? I think it was that... Anyway, not the current topic in discussion.
Well Casluerj it seems it wasnt TG after all that played Venice but PJL. Doesnt matter, that just confirms my theory that all spaniards who play with you always cooperate with you as well.
Paranoia does bad things to your health. :wacko:
Anyways... edits done? I came from the doctor's yesterday, he finally removed the stichtes on my eyes, so I got home with a massive headache directly to bed.
Anyways... edits done? I came from the doctor's yesterday, he finally removed the stichtes on my eyes, so I got home with a massive headache directly to bed.
BurningEGO said:
Maybe you should not have brought it up then. If you don't want to bring up old discussions you should try to not refer to them.
Edit: you do know that arguing first and then adding a last sentence like you did makes one wonder if you really mean that last sentence. Kinda like someone that apologises, but adds another insult at the end.
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BurningEGO said:
Yeah... PJL... Well, I even didnt knew that PJL was Spaniard...Also he isnt a friend and he isnt even registered in my forum (as my real friends are). Also EGO I am from Brazil and I am a portuguese native speaker... When I talk with TG, Alek or any other espanohablante I use my English that is better than my Spanish (
o ).Why is so hard to admit that I managed to successfully convinced PJL (that was for the FIRST time playing with me) that France was a bigger threat to Venice than Austria was (I was Austria in EGA6)?
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About OE edits, I agree with them for game balance purpose... Being ghosted for more than 25 years really sucks in this time of the game (early game every year is important). It sucks so much that OE had infra and trade 3 while everyone had infra and trade 5 and some is approaching level 6. OE has been already too much penalized for misplaying and ghost... Even with infra/trade 4 he is too backward...
But EGO, if everything is enough to make you leave a game, just do it and stop threating... Respect the GM decision or just leave the game.
BurningEGO said:
This is the OE's current tech costs. Sum them all and the techs will cost 77559. Totally unbearable for me to have an edit like that, for only 25 of ghosting. I remember having Mioz crying over and over again just because i had 1000d edited in, in another game. Now, 77559d... He would kill himself.
Techcosts add up to 77K+, but you might want to take the already invested money into consideration, and btw, your save aint correct, OE has currently about 6K to Trade 4, and about 7K to Infra 4 and Infra 5 costs about 30K and OE was putted half-way to it, which would be about 15K then. So that adds up to 28K invested to techs. And if we want to be exact, the +2 centralization that OE is entitled to will lower that by couple Ks more.
And what comes to the stability points OE supposedly gained, thats a complicated matter, because if played right and with a bit luck(or unluck..) the dow on Aden would have only costed 1 stability point. Sometimes that political crisis is welcomed with open arms. Not to mention its a good perk to have for all those non-converted infidels everywhere.
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Aleksidze said:Paranoia does bad things to your health. :wacko:
Anyways... edits done? I came from the doctor's yesterday, he finally removed the stichtes on my eyes, so I got home with a massive headache directly to bed.
Yikes... stitches in the eye?
That sounds bad.OE edits In General: I've flipped through a bunch of the older games and the OE's techs at Trade 4 and Infra 5 at 1586 is about the average. Usually it's a 4/5. I saw a 2/6 and a 3/5 so ours is a little below average and isn't too bad.
Our OE in 1537 was at 3/3 so in 50 years it hasn't budged a bit.
On another note it's kinda odd, but a lot of the games had a save for 1586
On a side note, I didnt put OE halfway to infra 5... I gave him only 5000d in infra 5 from the 20,000d that he needs
Huh? In my save infra 5 costs 28K with the +2 centralization implemented.
Well if so, OE received 18K edited to techs.
Well if so, OE received 18K edited to techs.
Avalanche said:
Well, in the edited save that is also with Liff, IIRC, it cost 20k....
In the case of "massive" OE Edits I request edits given to Spain too. After all It was gosted for 32 ! years -.-
OE tech can be bumped up a bit but nothing like 10.000+ bonus given -.-
the c.a. 50.000 added Techpoints amount to a 20 ! year FULL INCOME (4/5th of OE's total income during the time it was ghosted) ADDED !
And if we are doing edits in to such a degree Spain too deserves to get 103200 bonus tech points (4/5th of Spain's total income during the time it was ghosted).
I realy have NOthing against giving OE a bump to recover. But giving him 20 !!!!! free years of income is absurd
No edits needed for "misplaying" ! -.-
OE tech can be bumped up a bit but nothing like 10.000+ bonus given -.-
the c.a. 50.000 added Techpoints amount to a 20 ! year FULL INCOME (4/5th of OE's total income during the time it was ghosted) ADDED !
And if we are doing edits in to such a degree Spain too deserves to get 103200 bonus tech points (4/5th of Spain's total income during the time it was ghosted).
I realy have NOthing against giving OE a bump to recover. But giving him 20 !!!!! free years of income is absurd
No edits needed for "misplaying" ! -.-
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SorelusImperion said:
It wasnt massive edits... It was something to not let OE be too backward with infra and trade 3!!
Spain is doing quite fine I'd say. It is the richest nation in the world! Why she would need boosts?