The Secretary of the Navy sends back an agreement to meet, and offers a time and place as well.
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The Secretary of the Navy sends back an agreement to meet, and offers a time and place as well.
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Plotting would be a nice add to the AAR and i would certainly prefer that it was in
Foreign Policy: Comintern
Build or modernize? Modernize
Proposed budget for IC: Equal balance (I dunno)
Leadership? All equal balance (I dunno)
Proposed tech budgets: All equal balance (I dunno)
Our policy for aligning for the Comintern is: The nation of the USSR has a potential to take Germany to the trash.
Build or modernize? Modernize
Proposed budget for IC: Equal balance (I dunno)
Leadership? All equal balance (I dunno)
Proposed tech budgets: All equal balance (I dunno)
Our policy for aligning for the Comintern is: The nation of the USSR has a potential to take Germany to the trash.
Ooooh the things that start up when I ignore the forums for a few days! I've played a few FTM America games, so I should actually be able to contribute my 2 cents! I'd like a Senator pls...
Name: Senator Thomas Rudolph from Ohio
Born: 1899 (age 37)
Party: Republican (classical liberal)
Policy Points:
Foreign Policy: We must remain neutral in Europe's problems unless our security is directly threatened! I will support war on Germany only if France is conquered and Moscow threatened. Japan should be left alone unless they annex China.
Military: The most technologically, modern army, navy, and airforce is required for our security! A strong navy will defend our shores while a modern air force will give us striking power against enemies far across the globe! We should strive to have the best guns, tanks, ships and airplanes in the world. Peace can be kept only through superior firepower and technology!
Proposed Budget:
IC Budget:
Leadership Budget:
Armed Forces Plan:
Name: Senator Thomas Rudolph from Ohio
Born: 1899 (age 37)
Party: Republican (classical liberal)
Policy Points:
Foreign Policy: We must remain neutral in Europe's problems unless our security is directly threatened! I will support war on Germany only if France is conquered and Moscow threatened. Japan should be left alone unless they annex China.
Military: The most technologically, modern army, navy, and airforce is required for our security! A strong navy will defend our shores while a modern air force will give us striking power against enemies far across the globe! We should strive to have the best guns, tanks, ships and airplanes in the world. Peace can be kept only through superior firepower and technology!
Proposed Budget:
IC Budget:
- Upgrades 0 IC They are wasteful as they will shorty become obsolete.
- Reinforcements 0.25 IC This will efficiently maintain our current units.
- Supplies 0 IC We can import all supplies using our vast resource base.
- Production Maximum IC Finish ships already under construction, then modernize the transcontinental railroad to San Diego! Any leftover IC will be spent on factories (preferably in my home state!)
- Consumer Goods 60 IC The minimum needed to keep the people happy
Leadership Budget:
- Diplomacy 0.05 This level should be sufficient for us to make necessary long term trades
- Officers 0.0 War is distant from the minds of any young man. We can more efficiently recruit officers when the threat to our homeland is greater. Doing so now would be a waste of resources!
- Intelligence 1.0 A small, long term investment into espionage against Germany, Japan, and the Soviet Union will reap intelligence in future years.
- Research 33 Focus initially on '36 - '37 industry techs (except for the resource production ones of course) For the army work towards motorized (it requires cavalry and light tanks) and medium tanks. Artillery is also a beneficial topic. Navy: CL's CV's and DD's. BB, BC, CA, and Subs can be ignored Air Force: Fighters and Strategic Bombers. Doctrines can be ignored until they have no date penalty. Except for research rate improving techs we should try not to research more than one year ahead of time!
Armed Forces Plan:
- Navy: A strong CV, CL, and DD force will achieve naval supremacy and protect against submarines. With the advent of the Carrier investments into massive battlewagons are now a waste.
- Army: Must be geared to potential overseas deployment, thus needs to be small but powerful. Tanks, Artillery, Mobile, and Marines must be our focus
- Air Force: Strategic Bombing to smash an enemy's infrastructure and industrial capacity! Fighters are necessary for their long range to escort the bombers and can dual purpose as ground attack. Interceptors, Ground Attack, and Tactical bombers can be mostly ignored.
I'm sorry but i see something very strange in your budget: you say you want the most techonogically and modern army while you dont give IC to upgrades in your budget? might i ask why?
The Secretary of the Navy sends back an agreement to meet, and offers a time and place as well.
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((Welcome aboard! I'm particularly pleased with your choice of state, as I am a native of Ohio!
))I wanted to make something clear; foreign policy is separate from the budget stuff. Everybody gets a vote on Foreign Policy. We're just voting to align ourselves right now, not to join a faction. We'll probably make that decision in the early 1940s, unless events force us to choose earlier. I can't prevent Japan from DOWing us (sorry, thought I could! :sad
, so I think January 1940 is the latest we can commit.Poll is as follows for foreign policy:
Isolation 3
Comintern 1
Allies 0
Axis 0
No official end date as present; keep submitting bills! We ideally need three to be voted upon, which means two Senators must support. You even get the bill named after you (or I guess you can pick your own -- I'm not too picky).
Oh, and to Senator Manson: This is a 1 year budget; we'll revisit this each year. You may wish to adjust your current proposal.
Senator Clark Gable of Florida
Ballot:
We must continue providing work for our citizens and in an effort to both stave off any sort of recession or worse, a new depression and to drive down unemployment we should open up more factories and industry, especially in the South. Meanwhile we should construct light cruisers to bolster our navy while churning out interceptors to protect our skies. Moving on to tech budgets I would like to see our boys replace their antiquated weapons while improving our industry to become more efficient so future construction efforts are not as time consuming and expensive, also a self-sufficient America is a strong America (Increase supply output). For the navy, we should look into carriers and their enormous potential to defend our shores. The rest of the budget can go into developing better, faster interceptors than the ones in our current arsenal.
Ballot:
- Foreign Policy: Isolationism
- Build or modernize? Build
- Proposed budget for IC: 30 for Navy, 60 for Air Force, 50 for Industry, The rest for modest upgrading procedures
- Leadership? 12 for science, 8 for intelligence, 10 for officers, 3 for diplomacy (in order to conduct trade deals)
- Proposed tech budgets: Army: 2, Industry:4, Navy: 4, Air Force: 2
We must continue providing work for our citizens and in an effort to both stave off any sort of recession or worse, a new depression and to drive down unemployment we should open up more factories and industry, especially in the South. Meanwhile we should construct light cruisers to bolster our navy while churning out interceptors to protect our skies. Moving on to tech budgets I would like to see our boys replace their antiquated weapons while improving our industry to become more efficient so future construction efforts are not as time consuming and expensive, also a self-sufficient America is a strong America (Increase supply output). For the navy, we should look into carriers and their enormous potential to defend our shores. The rest of the budget can go into developing better, faster interceptors than the ones in our current arsenal.
Name: Senator Henry Heidelburg from California
Born: 1892 (age 42)
Party: German-American Bunde
Policy ideas:
-- Foreign policy plans: Intervention, foster close relations with Germany to combat the growing communist threat.
-- Budgets for IC: Expand the United States of America's industrial base and start training a new airforce.
-- Budgets for Leadership: Leadership should go to expanding a large spy network in the UK, France, Italy, Japan and Germany.
-- Declaring war/signing peace treaties: Yes. The USSR and other Communist countries will have to be brought to the knees.
-- Which faction we align ourselves to, if any: Axis
-- If one of the Big Four needs to be fired/replaced: Fascist or National Socialist.
-- Input on our general deployments overseas: Withdraw all
-- All decisions and law changes: Institute high education, Consumer Goods should be in focus as long as we aren't at war.
-- Nukes!: Yes, all weapons should be considered.
Born: 1892 (age 42)
Party: German-American Bunde
Policy ideas:
-- Foreign policy plans: Intervention, foster close relations with Germany to combat the growing communist threat.
-- Budgets for IC: Expand the United States of America's industrial base and start training a new airforce.
-- Budgets for Leadership: Leadership should go to expanding a large spy network in the UK, France, Italy, Japan and Germany.
-- Declaring war/signing peace treaties: Yes. The USSR and other Communist countries will have to be brought to the knees.
-- Which faction we align ourselves to, if any: Axis
-- If one of the Big Four needs to be fired/replaced: Fascist or National Socialist.
-- Input on our general deployments overseas: Withdraw all
-- All decisions and law changes: Institute high education, Consumer Goods should be in focus as long as we aren't at war.
-- Nukes!: Yes, all weapons should be considered.
Welcome, Senator! ((Noting your policies, shall I interpret you are voting for alignment to the Axis?))
Though I would find it too soon to join any faction, I support aligning ourselves with the Allies.
As regards the budget, I am willing to support Senator Rudolph, albeit with a few conditions. First of all, I am in disagreement with the Senator's focus on the Navy: While I am willing to defer to his clearly apparent superior knowledge of the topic, I suspect that he may be too focused on naval firepower. I propose that we de-prioritize the construction of additional destroyers, instead channelling whatever funds dedicated thereto mostly into the construction of additional aircraft carriers, as the Senator has also proposed - In my opinion, a large part of the naval operations which might occur could easily be handled by the Royal Navy, with whom we are likely to see ourselves aligned. Secondly, concerning the Army, and especially the aerial branch thereof, I am of the opinion that artillery should be de-emphasized in favour of in favour of additional research and development of tactical bombers. I agree with the Senator's assessment that we need to focus on mobility, and I am of the belief that this will be the most effective way of doing so.
In spite of these objections, however, I am of the firm belief that the Senator and I shall be able to reach an agreement of some sort.
As regards the budget, I am willing to support Senator Rudolph, albeit with a few conditions. First of all, I am in disagreement with the Senator's focus on the Navy: While I am willing to defer to his clearly apparent superior knowledge of the topic, I suspect that he may be too focused on naval firepower. I propose that we de-prioritize the construction of additional destroyers, instead channelling whatever funds dedicated thereto mostly into the construction of additional aircraft carriers, as the Senator has also proposed - In my opinion, a large part of the naval operations which might occur could easily be handled by the Royal Navy, with whom we are likely to see ourselves aligned. Secondly, concerning the Army, and especially the aerial branch thereof, I am of the opinion that artillery should be de-emphasized in favour of in favour of additional research and development of tactical bombers. I agree with the Senator's assessment that we need to focus on mobility, and I am of the belief that this will be the most effective way of doing so.
In spite of these objections, however, I am of the firm belief that the Senator and I shall be able to reach an agreement of some sort.
Polls are now at:
Isolationism - 3
Axis - 1 (probably)
Allies - 1
Comintern - 1
((Oh, and so I can remember people's names in the AAR, please end your posts with your character's name or put them in your signature. Thanks!))
Isolationism - 3
Axis - 1 (probably)
Allies - 1
Comintern - 1
((Oh, and so I can remember people's names in the AAR, please end your posts with your character's name or put them in your signature. Thanks!))
An understandable confusion. First off, this is a one year budget, so these numbers will not last. With the depression ravaging our economy, virtually all of us agree that industrial recovery and expansion must take priority this year. With prospects for war at least three to four years away it makes more sense to spend this year researching better armaments and expanding our industrial base then upgrading our current forces to models which will become obsolete long before they see action. Once the economy has recovered somewhat and our defense experts have improved the application of cutting edge technology to military matters we can focus on upgrading our military, leapfrogging the current designs.
Avindian said:
((Thanks! So am I! Small world...))
Terraferma said:
I would strongly maintain that a large fleet of pure interceptors would be a waste of our manufacturing capabilities. With no aggressive nations on our continental borders I believe that the greater range and versatility offered by multi-role fighters would be more useful in the long run for both defensive and offensive air actions.
-Sen. Thomas Rudolph
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OOC: But then again, we shouldn't know that war will happen in 3-4 four years, its not like we could actully predict the future, i think this a little annoyance...
True but by '36 none of the Europeans had really begun re-arming in earnest. It is quite safe to assume that the war is at least 3 years away, especially in America which is traditionally isolationist and a latecomer to European wars.
((I hate metagaming as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure how to prevent it. Get people to support your bill, I guess ?))
((Would I be vote number 4 for Isolationism? It was at 3 just prior to my ballot post))
-George Coleman, member of the Democrat Party-
Coleman´s proposal
* Foreign Policy: Isolationist.
* Build or modernize? Modernize and expand our Industry and economy
* Proposed budget for IC:
No invest in Army´s upgrades, except the minimum needed to make it functional
Reinforce only the minimum needed to have a small troop to defend the country
Maintain a great part of the IC reserved to the Consumer Goods, to improve the economy and have enough money to buy the resources that we need
The rest, should be used to expand our factories o
* Leadership: 22 for science, 3 for intelligence , 5 for officers, 3 for diplomacy.
* Proposed tech budgets: 5 for Navy, 2 for Air Force, 2 for Army, 10 for General, and 4 for Education.
(Not know if there are enough education´s technologies for that... XD)
Coleman´s proposal
* Foreign Policy: Isolationist.
* Build or modernize? Modernize and expand our Industry and economy
* Proposed budget for IC:
No invest in Army´s upgrades, except the minimum needed to make it functional
Reinforce only the minimum needed to have a small troop to defend the country
Maintain a great part of the IC reserved to the Consumer Goods, to improve the economy and have enough money to buy the resources that we need
The rest, should be used to expand our factories o
* Leadership: 22 for science, 3 for intelligence , 5 for officers, 3 for diplomacy.
* Proposed tech budgets: 5 for Navy, 2 for Air Force, 2 for Army, 10 for General, and 4 for Education.
(Not know if there are enough education´s technologies for that... XD)
((Good catch! It is indeed now
Isolationism - 4
Axis - 1
Allies - 1
Comintern - 1))
Budget Proposal
Foreign Policy: For now I would strongly advise to keep ourselves isolated at the moment. However if the threat from Germany or Japan becomes too high, we have to act. We cannot sit idly and see other countries infest the world with such thoughts as theirs.
Build or modernize? I would want a balanced budget for this. We need to improve the quality of our troops to continue to be a superpower; however I see the need to expand our industry to even further this opinion, and to remain superior.
IC Budget Proposal
Upgrades: We should keep the slider locked at around what is required to give our troops the newest weapons possible. I believe this was around 30 IC
Reinforcements: Keep the slider at around 3 IC to always have our standing troops at full strength.
Supplies: We should always keep or troops supplied with whatever they need at around 15 IC
Production: The IC left I would advise to build up our industry. When the industry is at an appropriate level, divide the budget as following:
30% for the Air Force
40% for the Navy
30% for the Army
Consumer Goods: Keep this locked at 60 IC to keep our good people happy.
Leadership 15 for science, 9 for intelligence, 6 for officers, 3 for diplomacy
We should focus a large part of our Leadership points into research, as this will help us to be able to strike if we are in need of this in the future.
For intelligence matters, I suggest focusing most of our spies at Germany, Italy, USSR, Japan and China. These are the biggest threats to us. We should also keep around 6 spies as homeland security to thwart enemy spies.
Officers are not needed at the moment as the threat of war is not imminent. However this may change in the future.
The focus on diplomats is mostly to secure important trade agreements.
Science proposal
Army techs/doctrines: 4 points
Naval techs/doctrines: 5 points
Our navy has to be superior to anyone, as it will be easy to fend off invasions. I would also suggest to the Secretary of the Navy to focus on Carrier doctrines. These may be crucial in future naval warfare.
Aeroplane techs/doctrines: 3 points
Other techs: 2 points
This may include nukes in the future
Signed: Senator Charles Beckendorf, MA
Foreign Policy: For now I would strongly advise to keep ourselves isolated at the moment. However if the threat from Germany or Japan becomes too high, we have to act. We cannot sit idly and see other countries infest the world with such thoughts as theirs.
Build or modernize? I would want a balanced budget for this. We need to improve the quality of our troops to continue to be a superpower; however I see the need to expand our industry to even further this opinion, and to remain superior.
IC Budget Proposal
Upgrades: We should keep the slider locked at around what is required to give our troops the newest weapons possible. I believe this was around 30 IC
Reinforcements: Keep the slider at around 3 IC to always have our standing troops at full strength.
Supplies: We should always keep or troops supplied with whatever they need at around 15 IC
Production: The IC left I would advise to build up our industry. When the industry is at an appropriate level, divide the budget as following:
30% for the Air Force
40% for the Navy
30% for the Army
Consumer Goods: Keep this locked at 60 IC to keep our good people happy.
Leadership 15 for science, 9 for intelligence, 6 for officers, 3 for diplomacy
We should focus a large part of our Leadership points into research, as this will help us to be able to strike if we are in need of this in the future.
For intelligence matters, I suggest focusing most of our spies at Germany, Italy, USSR, Japan and China. These are the biggest threats to us. We should also keep around 6 spies as homeland security to thwart enemy spies.
Officers are not needed at the moment as the threat of war is not imminent. However this may change in the future.
The focus on diplomats is mostly to secure important trade agreements.
Science proposal
Army techs/doctrines: 4 points
Naval techs/doctrines: 5 points
Our navy has to be superior to anyone, as it will be easy to fend off invasions. I would also suggest to the Secretary of the Navy to focus on Carrier doctrines. These may be crucial in future naval warfare.
Aeroplane techs/doctrines: 3 points
Other techs: 2 points
This may include nukes in the future
Signed: Senator Charles Beckendorf, MA
Sen. Thomas Rudolph:
I must once again ask you for your thoughts on my proposed alterations to your suggested budget. In case you are currently considering this, I apologize, I merely wished to restate it, in case my suggestions had become lost during this most enthusiastic debate.
- Sen. Elizabeth H. Danner
I must once again ask you for your thoughts on my proposed alterations to your suggested budget. In case you are currently considering this, I apologize, I merely wished to restate it, in case my suggestions had become lost during this most enthusiastic debate.
- Sen. Elizabeth H. Danner