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These naval losses in the Pacific are alarming! I demand accountability!

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Senator Gerry,

I assure that plans are in place to prevent such critical losses in the future. Our boys are laying their lives on the lines every day, and no one is more aware of this than we are. The objectives that they gave their lives making way for our boots on the ground may free the world from the tyranny of the Nazi oppressors in quick succession, and their memory and their loss will not be in vain. I implore you to not make the families of those lost grieve more by turning their husbands, or their fathers, or their brothers into political capital. They were men, they were soldiers, and they will be honored.

-Gen. Bradley
 

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General Bradley,

All apologies for my rash reaction to the battle reports from the Pacific theater. I'm confident you're leading our heroes with the same dedication and competence you've demonstrated throughout. Naval losses touch my heart deeply as Rhode Island is steeped in naval history and I represent many of the brave souls you're leading into battle. Rest assured you have my full support and I will do everything in my power to ensure you're equipped and supplied with the best our country can offer. God bless our Republic and may He bless the souls of the fallen.

Yours faithfully,

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((we're not the only state that still celebrates VJ day for nothing!))
 

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((Interesting, Rob; I didn't know that!))

General Bradley,

Thank you for your prompt delivery of the Pacific plans. I will pass them along to the President tomorrow.

Chief of Staff Admiral Leahy

((I'll play and update tomorrow; something tells me there won't be huge amounts of action in this next update.))
 

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I just finished playing this update, and I wanted to alert everyone I'm going to be using a new format for the update; instead of pictures of battles (of which there are many), I'll try to use more maps, unless a battle is really significant.

The new update will be coming later this evening.
 

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((Sounds like your assumption of inactivity was wrong!))
 

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Briefing: December 1, 1942

Ladies and gentlemen of the Senate and Congress,

December has been a very fruitful month for Allied forces. A few Senators came to me privately ((nobody did, but work with me here ;))) and asked to be brief on the operational level, not the tactical level. I have acquiesced to their requests, and shall endeavor to present a more complete picture of our actions in Europe and in the Pacific.

General MacArthur, Atlantic Commander, has authorized the creation of a new Army Group, the Mediterranean Command, based out of Alexandria, Egypt. It shall be composed of two corps, the 6th US Corps (Infantry) and an Armored Corps. It is commanded by General Taylor, who has been long overdue for this command. His objectives will be to provide another angle of attack against German forces in Greece and the Balkans.

Fighting began in the Pacific on November 1, shortly after our last briefing. Battles that day proved to be indecisive; although American naval forces drove the enemy out of their sector in every case, no Japanese ships were sunk. We ourselves lost a division destroyers, although most of the crews were evacuated safely to Eniwetok. In Northern Italy and Austria, American forces pressed on all fronts, hoping to solidify the deteriorating situation there. More and more positions are being taken by Americans, rather than Italians, who are eager but, as yet, poorly trained and inexperienced.

On November 2nd, IJN Ise was sunk by American forces at the Battle of Ralik Plains. The Ise was an old battleship, but a much needed boost to morale came from its destruction, after the bloody month of November. The following day, American forces sunk their first Japanese battle cruiser, the Hiei. ((I didn't even recognize the icon when I saw it; battle cruisers are extremely rare in HOI3, as they should be.))

November 3rd saw the successful completion of the Battle of Mittersil, which began in the waning hours of October; casualties were roughly equal. IJN Tone, a heavy cruiser, was added to the list of Japanese ships sunk by our boys in Navy Blue. Some Japanese destroyers and the battle cruiser Haruna met a similar fate later that day.

Beginning November 4, American forces began pressing into Austria, mostly to relieve the pressure on Northern Italy. Units were under strict instructions not to advance too far north until American forces were ready to push as one. That day was an especially glorious one for American forces in the Pacific, as American ships in CTF 'Yorktown' sunk their first carrier, albeit a light one, the IJN Hosho.



Another Japanese carrier, the Shosho, was caught alone, with no escort, by CTF 'Yorktown' the next day. It was destroyed with all hands. Later that day, SAG 'Montana' escorted TRG 'Buffalo' to Los Angeles, carrying the 2nd Marine Corps.

On November 7, General Marshall, CO of First Army, called General Devers, CO of Southern Command, begging for reinforcements to continue the defense of Venice while attacking Trieste. Knowing that General Patton of Fourth Army was attacking Trieste, General Devers used his own initiative to alter First Army's orders to protect the American supply line. General Marshall was also authorized to expand farther north, if the opportunity presented itself, but given strict instruction to stay within Austria.



The rest of the first week of November was highlighted by bloody engagements in the Austrian and Italian Alps, the Germans winning at Osttirol while the Americans took Bolzano. By November 10, American forces had a secure foothold in the town of Lienz, despite multiple German attempts to dislodge them. The following day, 2nd USMC landed in Los Angeles, where they refueled and refitted; by the end of the day, they were on their way to Taranto, Italy. SAG 'Tennessee' was redeployed to Bergen, Norway, and attached to Atlantic Command, since no enemy ships are in the Mediterranean any longer.

November 13, 1942, marked the sinking of a Japanese fleet carrier, the Ryujo. In a previous battle, Americans sunk yet another battle cruisers, making November of 1942 one of the worst months for the Japanese navy.



By November 15, American forces had reached as far as Innsbruck, Austria. Although going was slow, in part due to the terrain and in part due to fierce German resistance, American forces won more battles than they lost, for the first time with Italian support.

On November 17, General Vandegrift, 7th US Army Corps, fed up with the slow progress in Norway, took matters into his own hands instead of waiting for orders. ((I had to break my rule here, but it really was getting ridiculous that the AI wouldn't advance against German troops with no supplies.)) 3rd US Army Corps embarked on Norwegian rail toward Narvik.



While 7th US Army Corps advanced into southern Norway, routing hungry and stranded German forces with ease, the navy struck its own hammer blow in the Pacific, inflicting further damage on the quickly weakening IJN.



Progress continued briskly into Norway over the next four next days.





November 22 saw the first meeting of American and Hungarian troops at Klagenfurt; the 32nd Infantry division easily dispatched two Hungarian divisions and one German division of motorized troops. On the same day, with the Germans on the run, Atlantic Northern Command issued orders to take Lillehammer and Sarpsborg, eliminating the German presence in southern Norway.



November 24 marked the first day of significant progress against German-held Trieste, and just in time, as Italian forces in Albania had been eliminated, with the final patch of territory all but taken.



November 25 saw the loss of the first American ship since early November: the light cruiser Atlanta. Still, while the cruiser was sunk, American forces chased off the Japanese. American radar reported the existence of a convoy so massive that CTF 'Alexandria' refused to engage; given how many casualties we have inflicted upon enemy shipping, how many more ships could there be?



On November 26, American forces successfully recaptured Trieste from the Germans; the Italian governor of the city was glad to return to his home.



The most notable operation in November began at the very end: Operation Souvalki, the reconquest of Greece. The 2nd US Marine Corps landed at Athens at noon on the 26th.



On November 28, at noon -- exactly 48 hours -- the German garrison in Athens surrendered; orders were sent to transfer Army Group 'Mediterranean' to Athens in order to secure the rest of Greece.



The month of November closed with a massive clash between CTF 'Alexandria' and a Japanese carrier task force.



Although these reports are unconfirmed, sources say that two destroyer divisions and the cruiser Juneau have been sunk by Japanese carrier forces. That is all we know at present.

I close this briefing, as always, with maps for your perusal.






Leningrad and Moscow are circled; Leningrad is held by Germany



Techs researched: Anti-Tank Ammunition and Muzzle Velocity 5, Light Artillery 5, Anti-Aircraft Barrel and Ammunition 5, CAS Ground Crew Training 4, Artillery Carriage and Sights 7, Ground Attack Tactics 2, Medium Navigation Radar 1
Ships sunk: 1 x CV, 3 x CVL, 1 x BB, 3 x BC, 2 x CA,2 x DD (Japanese)
Ships lost: 2 x CL, 3 x DD (by Japan)
Convoys sunk (transports/escorts): 35/18 (Japanese)
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Novatheorem, as always, I will need new plans for the Pacific, unless you simply want to continue as is. 2nd USMC is available again, and the Atlantic Theater has no current plans for it; I can certainly send it back your way if you need it.

Senators, we have three matters to vote on.

1. What do you think of the new format? Do you want more maps (I'll try to include more in the future) or more battles?
2. What should our basic objective for 2nd Army/Army Group 'Mediterranean' be? We've got another six divisions the British owe us that I completely forgot about :rolleyes: (I requested them using the HOI3 Army Organizer; there really ought to be a way to get more than one unit at a time anyway in FTM).
3. What do we with do Greece? Liberate it or keep it under our control until the war ends?

PvtPrivate, I'd like you to offer your thoughts on question #2 specifically, but I'll take any suggestions. Either way, I'd like the Senate to vote on it. If new plans are required, you'll need to draw them up.

Therefore, vote Maps or Battles, what we should do with Army Group 'Mediterranean',and Liberate now or Liberate post-war.

I'll give you a full week to vote; I'll set the preliminary deadline for next Thursday at 10 PM (-6 GMT). I'd like any and all plans on my desk by then as well.
 

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The Allies are pushing back -- Great. We have captured the capital of Greece, and we are pushing into German Austria, and China is repelling Japan's offensive. I believe this is a great stride in the country's security and future, as now we can have Allies that fight with us, not for us.

Signed,
Mary Phillips
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"The Naval losses are extremely concerning and it seems clear that we have underestimated the naval capacity of the Empire of Japan. I urge the Republic to ensure our Navy is adequately funded so that we can maintain the initiative and not allow the Imperialists to defeat us. Nonetheless, our focus should remain on defeating Germany and the Continent. I have only a little input to make regarding the Mediterranean Army, but is it possible to open up new fronts and stretch the German lines further? A major strike through the Balkans may allow us to eventually link up with the Soviet Union and push Germany back as a united force.

Regarding your monthly reports, I show a preference for MAPS over battles, so long as the naval battles are adequately reported in the meantime. I feel that for the time being, we should establish military control in Greece so as to ensure that we are not caught in a difficult situation later. Their government-in-exile will surely understand, given the circumstances, that we cannot guarantee that their state will be safe from counterattack in the future."

~Senator Sarah Quentin O'Hanahan, D-OR
 

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1. As long as you still discuss battles, I am content with maps. I must say, whoever draws them needs an increase to the salary.
2. Let's send it to Athens.
3. Liberate Greece as soon as possible. They've been under Axis occupation for too long. We Americans liberate, not conquer.

- Senator Elexis Sinclaire (R - MA)
 
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1. As long as you still discuss battles, I am content with maps. I must say, whoever draws them needs an increase to the salary.
2. Let's send it to Athens.
3. Liberate Greece as soon as possible. They've been under Axis occupation for too long. We Americans liberate, not conquer.

- Senator Elexis Sinclaire (R - MA)

I agree with Senator Sinclaire in this matter

- Senator Charles Beckendorf, D-MA
 

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Senator Sinclaire, a clarification: I am asking what to do after we reclaim Greece. That may change your answer.

Current polls:

Maps
Aye: 3
No: 0

Med group?
Balkans: 1

Greece?
Liberate: 2
Military control: 1
 

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I vote maps. I also believe we should liberate Greece as soon as possible. It is imperative that we restore liberty to this brave and proud nation as soon as possible. That is what we are fighting for isn't it?

Also I would question the logic of focusing too much of our military efforts on the Balkans. I think using Army Group Mediterranean in a new Western front in France or Denmark is the wiser choice in terms of catching the Germans off guard (particularly after war is concluded in Norway and those troops can also be redeployed). We don't want to give the Commies too much of a helping hand! Let the Commies and Nazis bleed each other dry whilst we focus on liberating our Allies!

-Senator Henry Asquith, R-ME
 

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1. What do you think of the new format? Do you want more maps or more battles?
I like what you're doing with the new format. Given the choice between more maps or more battles, I'd choose more maps since I believe they better help everyone grasp the strategic situation. For that matter, you could drop the battles and simply focus on maps. In the end, they best tell the story. Important, though, the you continue to report on any significant units losses (like the Naval losses) which still continue to worry me.

2. What should our basic objective for 2nd Army/Army Group 'Mediterranean' be? We've got another six divisions the British owe us
Securing Salonika should be the first priority. Once that is achieved, I recommend assessing the German response. My gut tells me that the Balkans is the safer move, as it helps secure the flank near Venezia. However, if you see little or no German response/presence, you could use the armor to thrust towards Ploesti while the infantry moves up the Adriatic coast in the Balkans. (Germany losing Ploesti is a vicious move...they lose a lot of badly needed oil). Be prepared, though, for a long slog through the relatively low infrastructure provinces in the Balkans.

3. What do we do with Greece? Liberate it or keep it under our control until the war ends?
I vote for Military Control. We need control of Athens (and its port) to ensure proper supply for our troops.

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Senator Peter G. Gerry - Rhode Island (D)

((you're a machine Avindian, you jam out these updates with an impressive regularity))
 

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1. What do you think of the new format? Do you want more maps or more battles?
I like what you're doing with the new format. Given the choice between more maps or more battles, I'd choose more maps since I believe they better help everyone grasp the strategic situation. For that matter, you could drop the battles and simply focus on maps. In the end, they best tell the story. Important, though, the you continue to report on any significant units losses (like the Naval losses) which still continue to worry me.

2. What should our basic objective for 2nd Army/Army Group 'Mediterranean' be? We've got another six divisions the British owe us
Securing Salonika should be the first priority. Once that is achieved, I recommend assessing the German response. My gut tells me that the Balkans is the safer move, as it helps secure the flank near Venezia. However, if you see little or no German response/presence, you could use the armor to thrust towards Ploesti while the infantry moves up the Adriatic coast in the Balkans. (Germany losing Ploesti is a vicious move...they lose a lot of badly needed oil). Be prepared, though, for a long slog through the relatively low infrastructure provinces in the Balkans.

3. What do we do with Greece? Liberate it or keep it under our control until the war ends?
I vote for Military Control. We need control of Athens (and its port) to ensure proper supply for our troops.

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Senator Peter G. Gerry - Rhode Island (D)

((you're a machine Avindian, you jam out these updates with an impressive regularity))

((Rob, do the Germans even have Ploesti? Or are you saying DOW Romania and take Ploesti that way? I'm not sure you what you mean in this scenario.))

New poll:

Maps
Aye: 5
Nay: 0

Med group?
Balkans: 2
Western Europe: 1

Greece?
Liberate: 3
Military control: 2
 

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((USA is already at war with Romania which is also in the Axis...therefore won't require a DOW))

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((Maybe to clarify a little further, my concern is if you set a Balkans Objective before you secure Salonika, the Germans could sweep from Romania and cutoff supply lines sourced in Athens...that could be nasty...but if you get to Salonika and see no Germans/Axis troops...your options are wide open. Hope that helps))
 
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This telegram is sent by Senator John Sarigis (I leader-SC) on 29th of November 1942

To all Senators

Today with the liberation of Athens I went in here to my mother's house she was so happy abot two things first that the German occupation is over and that I returned.However cause of the situation in Greece i won't return soon.

About the bills of the senate I vote AYE for maps Balkans for the Med Group and Liberate for Greece my motherland.
 

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I vote for having a mix of maps and as like in the current update. Aye to the Med Group. Liberate Greece.
Senator Alexander Anikin, UT
 

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((Regarding the briefings, I think that the MAPS are going to best serve the purpose of giving everyone the full picture. I think the way you did it in the last update was just the right balance, and should keep it like that.))

Senators,

Greece's government is the exemplary symbol of hope and freedom we can use to signal to the Nazi war engine that it's time is nearing an end. Liberating the Greeks will show the Germans that no country in the region will remain under their pestilent grasp for long. Regarding our returned soldiers, I suspect that the need for them in liberating our Western European is far greater than my wishes for them to be returned home immediately. While I wish them a swift return home whatever service the British used them for, their fellow battle brothers would wish them by their side. Let us move swiftly and decisively, in order to avoid the same fate as has occurred in the Pacific theater.

-Senator Monisset
 

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To make this plain (which I think will answer your concern, Rob): we will not do anything but liberate Greece with the Med Group in the near future, which includes Thessaloniki. This is for after we've retaken Greece? ((Thank you for clarifying, Rob. I'd missed that Romania joined the Axis. :rolleyes:))

New poll:

Maps?
Aye: 8
No: 0

Since we have unanimity here, I'll close the voting on this particular issue. When next we update, I will do my best to include even more maply goodness, only highlighting battles that are noteworthy.

Med group objective?
Balkans: 3
Western Europe: 2

Senator Anikin, I didn't quite understand your vote. The group already exists, we're deciding what to do with it.

Greece?
Liberate: 6
Military control: 2