We need to bring back expansions... INSTANTLY
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Very few games offer the ability to go back to any game patch you want. Don't like any of the changes? Don't want to play with the Bjillion new provinces, Zillion new events and the trillion new mechanics? Fine, just roll back to vanillia with a couple of clicks.
Whilst that exists, claiming Paradox are removing content is silly.
Whilst that exists, claiming Paradox are removing content is silly.
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Further to the other response you got to this question, if you go to EU4 in Steam, right-click on the name in your library, select properties, and select 'betas', you'll see there's a bunch of old versions you can load up (most of which, but not all, look to support ironman). It's worth noting that if you go to a version earlier than a release of a particular DLC, that DLC isn't likely to work, but in the context of your thread title, this is how expansions used to work (they used to stack - so we needed to get all previous expansions to play the more recent one).
So, kind of ironically, the issue with buildings and common sense is actually more like the old expansions than any other DLC set from Paradox yet
.That said, I do understand the concern, given the size of the change in mechanics, and the limitations to building slots that arise from it, and I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with how it's been implemented, as I do think it was a large and more-limiting change to current players who may not have gone with the DLC. Some kind of in-game option to 'play the game the way it used to be' may have been useful, if relatively easy to do, or at the very least some in-game instructions on how to load up the most recent pre-Common Sense beta in Steam (I think 1.11.4?)
Edit: On the whole evil corporation thing, given you had the project lead come into the thread and provide a comment, on an OP that could have been written (far) better, I'd say that's a pretty good sign they're not one.
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They won't work. They didn't exist at the time of patching. (Frankly a good sign as it means the games don't have on-disc DLC.)
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Except, this game did have Day 1 DLC, which is pretty much the same thing.
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All the day 1 DLC was just minor flavour tidbits, nothing game-play altering. You could mod them in if you so wished.
Epic
...you, assuming you aren't trolling, are entitled to your opinion,
Paradox works hard to put out a quality product. IMO their DLC is worth the money I pay for it.
...you, assuming you aren't trolling, are entitled to your opinion,
Paradox works hard to put out a quality product. IMO their DLC is worth the money I pay for it.
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Well, you cannot literally revert to vanilla (not in the betas tab, at least, it may be possible by re-installing the game, disabling updates from the start and copying the files to another folder). But yeah, there is a good selection of available patches and I'm happy they decided to add this option. I didn't buy Common Sense yet because I wasn't sure if I like its features (forts are a great idea, not sure about the implementation, development in its abstract way doesn't seem so interesting) so playing the newest patch is not an option for me because of its well-known interactions with the DLC.
That said, it is true that all the DLCs are extra content which wouldn't have been in the base game. The problem is just that a game (or any program) can only handle so much extra content before its core features have to be changed. Whenever you add a new feature which wasn't planned at the start and which the game wasn't originally built for, there can be problems with its quality. I don't think it's a coincidence that Common Sense has been the most ambitious EU4 DLC and at the same time the most criticized.
Typically, making a new game is the best choice for really big and meaningful changes because rewriting code is likely to produce a higher quality than adding new code to already existing code. (This does not mean that when a new game is made, each and every piece of code gets rewritten, or that for a DLC nothing at all ever gets rewritten. It's more about the right balance.) Now, of course this is a general issue which is not more related to Paradox than to any other developers. Anyway, it's the reason why I don't like the mentality to release many DLCs and game-changing patches and keeping a game alive for years that much, even though this approach seems great at first glance.
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Thanks for opening my eyes,so PDX had common sense ready for release at game launch 2 years ago as every other DLC they "released" over the that time and Wiz and his team basicly just sat in their office quickly pretending to work every time Frederik or Johan came around for a quick look.
Well, I think not.
Well, I think not.
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What a wonderful post for Saturday morning .
Shall I tell you a shocking secret, Paradox is in the business of making money by selling us games.
Another shocking secret for you, Paradox will keep making expansion pack along it sell.
Sarcasm
.Shall I tell you a shocking secret, Paradox is in the business of making money by selling us games
.Another shocking secret for you, Paradox will keep making expansion pack along it sell.
Sarcasm
Was it OP's intention to start another Paradox appreciation thread? He succeeded.
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Yeah I thought you made that available on MP too, as to make it more accesible, even used it as a salespitch for my kid-brother when I gifted him CK2 and a few expansion , "now you can try the rest on MP and decide if you want to buy the rest later" he said, knowing that not having them is just less fun
And thanks you two for taking this with some great scandinavian humour :-D While I still argue that you could do some more to your long-time fanbase who have supported you throughout the year, but that´s another discussion ;-)
Yeah it did had some preorder DLC, the one that actually changed anything gameplaywise was star and crescent which mostly added some pictures but yes, it did add some flavour event and eventchains for muslim, but nothing gamebreaking, uberweapon of mass-destruction if you didn´t own it
Im sure that evil corp spends every money on games and takes nothing for themselves.
paradox interactive*
paradox interactive*
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Any word on where OP get his drugs?
Seems like it's some really good stuff.
Seems like it's some really good stuff.
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I understand the nostalgia for when everything was cheaper and simpler but the proposed model would result in a much inferior game. I like being able to opt into features (albeit I find myself purchasing everything because I jump around so much).
A complaint I have with the present model is that modding seems to be very difficult to keep up to date, and I wish they would slow down the rate of DLCs.
A complaint I have with the present model is that modding seems to be very difficult to keep up to date, and I wish they would slow down the rate of DLCs.