We need new title creation laws

[Vardariotai]

I think it would benefit the game if a new crown law was inplemented which restricts title creation to independent rulers only. So if you are an independent king, you are the only one who can create titles in your kingdom. If you are an independent count, you can create a duchy, but not if you have a liege. This can be locked behind high legalism and council authority requirements. iirc this was the case back in medieval times where a dukes and kings were appointed by top lieges not self proclaimed in existing realms but correct me if im wrong.

Also, I think it would be great if emperors could change dejure kingdom borders by decision, or create entirely new kingdoms, with restrictions of course. It can be good merge several small kigdoms into one to avoid having to deal with them all. Imperial reconquest of roman provinces comes to mind as a good place to implement this.

Edit: It would also provide for new interactions like when a vassal of yours gets big enough he may ask you to promote him to duke or king and he might get massively upset if you refuse.

 

[fall back]

This could be tied to imperial authority and viceroys and have the localisation of governor of xyz for kings and keep viceroy for dukes

 

[appsith]

Please add a suggestion !

 

[SigurdStormhand]

This has been suggested a few times - the Devs seem not to be keen - largely because it screws the player.

 

[fall back]

This has been suggested a few times - the Devs seem not to be keen - largely because it screws the player.

I was thinking have it locked behind requirements that the ai would never be able to reach like legalism six max ruler authority and full centralisation

 

[Heiliges Thüringens Reich]

Sorry, but I don't agree. I don't want to keep being a count forever until the AI, one day, decides that I should have title X that I have the money and piety to create anyway.
It's even worse if de jure drit is on, because you'd miss the opportunity to create a kingdom while under an AI empire.

 

[SigurdStormhand]

I was thinking have it locked behind requirements that the ai would never be able to reach like legalism six max ruler authority and full centralisation

It need to be something the AI can do too, or it just makes life too easy for the player.

Lock it behind Late Feudal and legaism 5. Give it two levels - the first prevents the character from creating a higher title, the second level (locked behind Imperial Admin) prevents the character creating any titles.

Make it a Crown Law and something vassals can initiate votes on.

Incidentally - there's only one instance I know of a vassal "upgrading" themselves and that's the exception that proves the rule. It's generally thought that the early Dukes of Normandy were actually Counts of Rouan, but because of their wide holdings and the weakness of the King of France they were able to declare themsleves Dukes of Normandy.

As to the AI never handing out titles - that's what the vassal limit is for.

 

[randomgamer71]

Maybe it should be the opposite, you can create the title without permissions, but you piss off your liege in doing so, or you could try asking perimission, that came with a price. And then add an option at high legalism/late feudal that forbid vassals from doing it.

 

[Silversweeeper]

I don't agree with the ability to redraw kingdom borders, since it is something I think would be easily exploitable by the player in some ways, that I doubt the AI would use well, and that could mess up stuff like crusade weights (k_dyn_1234556 isn't going to have the same weight as the k_france and k_aquitaine you merged into it). However, the rest sounds interesting, provided there would be enough ways for vassals to (try to) force their liege to create titles for them and ways to move the law in a more favourable direction and that the implementation was moddable enough to allow for tweaking of various things (e.g. a hypothetical "Ask for de jure liege title" diplomatic interaction should ideally be a scriptable targeted decision rather than hardcoded).

 

[FifthMonarchy]

Maybe it should be the opposite, you can create the title without permissions, but you piss off your liege in doing so, or you could try asking perimission, that came with a price. And then add an option at high legalism/late feudal that forbid vassals from doing it.

This seems like the best solution to me too - you can ask to create the title if you meet the conditions, doing so without permission is an offence and your liege refusing also gives you a broken feudal contract type CB. Think that would reflect what I've always imagined the feudal balance to be - vassals might be strong enough to do their own thing but custom, tradition and form required they pay homage to their liege. Either side might do something to piss the other off but by and large they kept up appearances. The price could just be the money (and maybe also prestige/piety?) it currently costs going to your liege as some special tax - makes the whole process more appealing to them and AFAIK that money just disappears into the ether currently.

 

[Vardariotai]

money just disappears into the ether currently.

I like this idea so very much, I hope more events have a definitive origin and destination regarding money transfer.