We need more variation of titles

[slemarie]

Yes I know it's early, but one thing I've always thought could make this game truly wonderful for everyone, history buffs, rpers, even empire builders, would be to bring in increased variance of noble titles.

Right now we're stuck with the Count/Duke/King/Emperor system that we've had for nearly a decade.

However, feudal contracts have brought a HUGE opportunity to really shake things up and bring this game to life, especially for players like myself that have been doing this for awhile and I'm sure are a bit bored with the stale old titles. I think it would be a really neat feature if, when you alter your feudal contract to a march, you then become a Margrave/Marquis/etc, similarly, if you're lucky enough for your monarch to allow you to become a palatinate, why not alter the title to become Count-Palatine, or Duke-Palatine.

And why stop there?

I'm sure we all have been huge magnates of a kingdom who, at one point or another, would like some distinction between ourselves and the other pitiful weakling 'dukes'. In CK2 when you held more than one Duchy title you were given a demesne 1+ modifier called "Great Duke". Why not after a certain point(maybe two or three duchies and no royal title) make it possible to convert to a Grand Duke? More still, why are you not eligible, as an independent Duke, to distinguish yourself by assuming a Princely title?

None of this, by the way would need to change the title or player tags, it would be an entirely cosmetic change, but it could really bring immersion to the next level by properly simulating the dizzying patchwork of titles and realms, particularly in Western Europe.

 

[squirrelinaround]

Need more regional variants too.

 

[Anonymous01]

I agree. I believe it's a huge missed opportunity to add texture to the game.

All Forms of Address should simply be editable in-game, just as we can change House names.

Ideally, this should be a power of the Cultural Head. Variations should also result from Feudal Contract changes, like you said. I started exploring the possibilities of modding-in expanded Contracts, but put it aside due to time conflicts. If you or anyone else is interested in working on a Mod for this, please contact me.

 

[Vanhal]

Especially for clan. I never in my life expected my first proper play would be with everyone called "matriarch" and "partiarch". Fortunately religious head title overwrite the godawful cringe of "Grand Patriarch" so i did not have to suffer this extensively but still.

Also, the feature of renaming titles was something requested for years in CK2 and now in CK3, but alas PDX ignored it.

 

[Mhoirbheinn]

it would be an entirely cosmetic change

Could be done fairly easily by modding common\customizable_localization\00_suitable_title_custom_loc.txt. Here's the full vanilla file.

my_title = {
    type = character

    text = {
        localization_key = empress_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_female = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 5
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = emperor_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_male = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 5
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = queen_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_female = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 4
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = king_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_male = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 4
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = duchess_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_female = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 3
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = duke_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_male = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 3
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = countess_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_female = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 2
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = count_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_male = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 2
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = baroness_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_female = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 1
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = baron_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_male = yes
            highest_held_title_tier >= 1
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = lady_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_female = yes
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = sir_lower_case
        trigger = {
            is_male = yes
        }
    }
}


RealmType = {
    type = character

    text = {
        localization_key = kingdom_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 4
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = duchy_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 3
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = county_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 2
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = barony_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 1
        }
    }
}


using_my_title = {
    type = character

    text = {
        localization_key = emperor_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 5
            scope:second = { is_female = no }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = empress_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 5
            scope:second = { is_female = yes }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = king_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 4
            scope:second = { is_female = no }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = queen_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 4
            scope:second = { is_female = yes }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = duke_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 3
            scope:second = { is_female = no }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = duchess_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 3
            scope:second = { is_female = yes }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = count_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 2
            scope:second = { is_female = no }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = countess_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 2
            scope:second = { is_female = yes }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = baron_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 1
            scope:second = { is_female = no }
        }
    }

    text = {
        localization_key = baroness_lower_case
        trigger = {
            highest_held_title_tier >= 1
            scope:second = { is_female = yes }
        }
    }
}


DuchessDuke = {
    type = character

    text = {
        trigger = { is_female = yes }
        localization_key = duchess_lower_case
    }

    text = {
        trigger = { is_male = yes }
        localization_key = duke_lower_case
    }
}

 

[Patriarch of Bub]

Especially for clan. I never in my life expected my first proper play would be with everyone called "matriarch" and "partiarch". Fortunately religious head title overwrite the godawful cringe of "Grand Patriarch" so i did not have to suffer this extensively but still.

Also, the feature of renaming titles was something requested for years in CK2 and now in CK3, but alas PDX ignored it.

What... What are you saying?
I thought I meant something to you :'(

 

[Trixie_Felgear]

As a bit of a random aside, I'm a little annoyed that the Holy Roman Emperor isn't referred to as Kaiser.

More still, why are you not eligible, as an independent Duke, to distinguish yourself by assuming a Princely title?

God this one most of all for me, at least. One of the four Levantine Crusader States was known as the Principality of Antioch, founded as such because Bohemond I was already the Prince of Taranto. Hell, I've noticed that Gwynedd gets to be a principality (because Prince of Wales, I imagine) so it's not like the idea's foreign to Paradox.

It should be, if you're an independent duke and you have high authority and lots of prestige or something, you can assume a princely position in this manner. Same with other sorts of titles off the beaten path of aristocratic styles that aren't cultural variants of those titles or related to vassal contracts.

 

[heliostellar]

However, feudal contracts have brought a HUGE opportunity to really shake things up and bring this game to life, especially for players like myself that have been doing this for awhile and I'm sure are a bit bored with the stale old titles. I think it would be a really neat feature if, when you alter your feudal contract to a march, you then become a Margrave/Marquis/etc, similarly, if you're lucky enough for your monarch to allow you to become a palatinate, why not alter the title to become Count-Palatine, or Duke-Palatine.

I'm pretty sure this is the reason that they introduced "feudal contracts"? I fully expect we'll eventually see things like kings owing some obligation to kings (i.e., King of England owing fealty to France in his capacity as Duke of Normandy).

 

[Rifal]

While more variety in titles would certainly serve to make the game a bit more interesting and "in depth". The AI can barely handle what the game already has, how do you think its gonna handle all these extra titles and their varieties?

 

[InvisibleBison]

While more variety in titles would certainly serve to make the game a bit more interesting and "in depth". The AI can barely handle what the game already has, how do you think its gonna handle all these extra titles and their varieties?

1) The OP explicitly said that this would be a purely cosmetic change - aka the AI wouldn't know that it has happened.
2) "The AI wouldn't know how to deal with it" isn't a valid objection to a suggestion, as "the AI would have to be taught how to deal with it" is an implicit part of every suggestion.