We need a better sector....

[AlexanderSirius]

The auto-generated sector is so ugly and broken,
Please make an option to let user design the sector...
which can fulfill the wish of perfectionist

 

[Forgotten Abiss]

i agree just make it so we set them up like before. i wounder why they decided to make the current system the way it is if they were worried about big sectors just make a system cap per sector

 

[JangoBunBun]

I don't think auto-generated sectors are bad per se. It's just that the game really likes to create tiny, single-system sectors when using a wargoal where control flips rather than just occupation. I was (trying) to play a Driven Assimilator and kept getting these small, annoying sectors when I was assimilating another empire. I think the range for auto-sectors should be adjusted (4 hyperlane range for capital, 3 for other sectors.) and new planets should extend the range by 1 around that planet.

The sector system should also prefer joining an existing sector over creating a new one. That way if you're Assimilating a neighbor the first planet you take will be the sector capital, and any planets within 3 hyperlanes will join that sector if you own the systems between the planets.

 

[The Boz]

I don't think auto-generated sectors are bad per se. It's just that the game really likes to create tiny, single-system sectors when using a wargoal where control flips rather than just occupation. I was (trying) to play a Driven Assimilator and kept getting these small, annoying sectors when I was assimilating another empire. I think the range for auto-sectors should be adjusted (4 hyperlane range for capital, 3 for other sectors.) and new planets should extend the range by 1 around that planet.

The sector system should also prefer joining an existing sector over creating a new one. That way if you're Assimilating a neighbor the first planet you take will be the sector capital, and any planets within 3 hyperlanes will join that sector if you own the systems between the planets.

Sectors aren't generated like that. They are made at game start, fixed; it's how "constellations" are formed, and why you can have one habitable planet two jumps away from your homeworld in an entirely new sector, with an entirely new governor.

 

[Typee]

They are made at game start, fixed

No, that's how it was planned but they changed it to "3 jumps from the sector capital".

 

[The Boz]

Wow, OK, I'm working with old information, then. Thanks.

 

[evilcat]

Make sectors gret again! (build megastructures and make FE pay for it)
I am all for player able to draw own sectors, the code was already there before 2.2 this interface with add remove systems was good enought.
If PDX cares so much about avoiding 20 planet sector, here is an idea:

Each sector has soft planet cap of 3+ governator level
exceeding sector planet cap gives small penalty to stability, 1-2 is not bigd deal 5-10 could be a problem
Some tech, tradicions, civics could increase that cap.

 

[Greenslade]

To reiterate the design idea I put elsewhere.

• Systems are more productive the closer they are to your capital.
  • The more developed your capital, the more systems it pulls into its "core" systems, your empire capital sector.
• If you expand widely you'll have too many systems in your "frontier" that aren't as productive. You therefore need to set up new sectors by designating one system as a new "sector capital."
  • Sector capitals start pulling the systems around them into their own set of "core" worlds, expanding out your empire's influence, improving productivity, and creating better trade routes.
  • All sectors keep growing as they develop organically, pulling systems in from the frontiers (that are claimed but not part of any sector) and improving them as they do so.

 

[MaP_Prime]

At this point they either need to keep the way sectors work as they are in 2.2 and let us add and remove systems as we see fit like before. Or they should just remove sectors all together as right now sectors don't matter other then allowing for the use of a governor. I can manage planets outside of my core worlds like they are part of my core worlds, essentially making sectors irrelevant other then for roleplay reasons. Personally I would prefer sectors would be kept as they are now, just letting us modify them as we choose like we could before. I honestly don't understand why they didn't let us change them when created.

 

[methegrate]

To reiterate the design idea I put elsewhere.

• Systems are more productive the closer they are to your capital.
  • The more developed your capital, the more systems it pulls into its "core" systems, your empire capital sector.
• If you expand widely you'll have too many systems in your "frontier" that aren't as productive. You therefore need to set up new sectors by designating one system as a new "sector capital."
  • Sector capitals start pulling the systems around them into their own set of "core" worlds, expanding out your empire's influence, improving productivity, and creating better trade routes.
  • All sectors keep growing as they develop organically, pulling systems in from the frontiers (that are claimed but not part of any sector) and improving them as they do so.

And maybe add a piracy multiplier to frontier sectors too. They are lawless after all.

 

[XT-489]

Manually managing sector borders was a pain in the ass. Every time you construct an outpost you would have to adjust the borders. In a total war you had to adjust the borders all the time, as ownership goes back and forth. The new system is so much better.

It is not really a problem that the borders are weird per se, although that could be aesthetically optimized.

 

[anamiac]

Just give us for each planet the ability to set the focus(es) -- checkboxes for minerals, energy, food, research, consumer goods, alloy, trade or strategic resources. Also give us the ability we had before to set how much minerals/energy they withhold for their own development. But make these options in the planet interface. Lastly, we make it so planets with no tile blockers, no governor and energy reserves will hire their own governor automatically. With governors now only governing just a single planet we may need to buff them to make them worth their upkeep, but that's certainly doable.

Once all this is done, Then we can remove sectors entirely. And maybe we can give technology the F4 hotkey again.

 

[evilcat]

We can go hybrid way, there is some way of auto generation systems. However if player wish to repaint them it is possible as well (using old UI)

Option to select AI for planets is good, since the planets are more unique now, for example with extra farm slots, which could not be generize over system.

 

[TehJumpingJawa]

Sectors were bad.
What we have now is even worse.

*slow clap*

 

[Deep Space Explorer]

No, that's how it was planned but they changed it to "3 jumps from the sector capital".

Isn't it 2? Or am i'm reading it wrong?

core_sector = {

    system_scores = {
        base = 100
    }

    local_capital_scores = {
        base = -1
        modifier = {
            mult = -100
            is_capital = yes
        }
    }

    resource_conversion_table = {
        energy = 1
        minerals = 1
    }

    max_jumps = 2
}

Same goes for a frontier sector.

Anyway, i don't like it. I just end up having a whole bunch of one planet sectors. Especially annoying since i'm playing as rather tall empire with 5 planets total. And 3 of them are in sectors of their own. Really wish they would return the ability to paint our own sectors and let tall empires have no sectors at all.

 

[methegrate]

I've mentioned in other threads on this subject, I mostly wish they would clarify what sectors are for at all. It seems kind of unnecessary to have this whole mechanic just for assigning governors, but that's literally the only thing sectors do anymore.

There's lots of potential to sectors. I really, really hope we can iterate toward some sort of Firefly-esque universe where your frontier and your core are vastly different places with their own wants and needs. But atm it's pretty much entirely cosmetic. (Which is also why I'm a little curious about the whole auto-generated sectors debate. They don't do anything, so why not just shut off the sector mapmode?)

 

[TheBrain0110]

Mostly my only problem with the new sectors is they're too small. Unless you're playing in a galaxy with a habitable planet worth colonizing in every system, you're going to end up with a whole ton of sectors that are just 1-2 planets each.

Actually, my second problem is the interface for giving resources to sectors is broken. You can send energy or minerals, and then it shows you the combined total of both, and no info on how much of each :/

 

[Greenslade]

And maybe add a piracy multiplier to frontier sectors too. They are lawless after all.

Yeah, the frontier sectors are outside your "directly controlled" space. I also had the idea of making them represent "soft borders" where other empires could still travel until you brought them under more direct control, even if you had closed borders. Basically make sectors matter more than just "somewhere to put all the planets you don't want to deal with," give them some actual strategic necessity.

 

[methegrate]

Yeah, the frontier sectors are outside your "directly controlled" space. I also had the idea of making them represent "soft borders" where other empires could still travel until you brought them under more direct control, even if you had closed borders. Basically make sectors matter more than just "somewhere to put all the planets you don't want to deal with," give them some actual strategic necessity.

Your soft borders idea would be fantastic.

I've ranted on this elsewhere, but I think one of the biggest things Stellaris needs is just more mobility on the map. As-is you get so quickly fenced in by three or four neighbors, and then basically the whole game just collapses to that perspective. The rest of the galaxy might as well not be there much of the time.

I'd like to send ships across the galaxy, to intervene in foreign conflicts and build trade routes with other empires (although I know that's not a thing yet). Soft borders that you can move through would do a lot for that.

 

[asaz989]

I've mentioned in other threads on this subject, I mostly wish they would clarify what sectors are for at all. It seems kind of unnecessary to have this whole mechanic just for assigning governors, but that's literally the only thing sectors do anymore.

There's lots of potential to sectors. I really, really hope we can iterate toward some sort of Firefly-esque universe where your frontier and your core are vastly different places with their own wants and needs. But atm it's pretty much entirely cosmetic. (Which is also why I'm a little curious about the whole auto-generated sectors debate. They don't do anything, so why not just shut off the sector mapmode?)

It's a bit hidden, but sectors are used for managing automatic management of planets. If you go into the Sectors and Planets screen, you can assign priorities (raw materials, industry, research) to sectors and they'll automatically pursue those priorities.