Someone should have stopped him before he could do anything.
If only he'd been... Caughtsky!
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Someone should have stopped him before he could do anything.
If only he'd been... Caughtsky!
Ignoring the ongoing spat about Britain's colonial history, I fail to see how any of that implicates it regarding guilt in causing WW1.
Britain is to blame for WW1 in much the same way that America is to blame for the current civil war in Syria.
If only they'd intervened earlier and more forcefully, there might have been no war. Of course if they had intervened, everybody would be accusing them of being militaristic warmongers.
They are not, I just like trolling Britons.
I maintain their partial responsibility for escalating it, though.
I maintain their partial responsibility for escalating it, though.
It wasn't just Britain who signed the Treaty of London. Prussia did as well, and subsequently did the exact opposite of what they had promised to do.
We've had such thread (s) already, I remember posting some BS in another identical one...
As a citizen of a former British colony (one which they acquire earlier during better times), the Brits aren't that bad as colonial masters. In my region, the Dutch and the French masters were nastier. But, it is observed that the colonies Britain obtained after WWI got a rawer deal as the Brits aren't that interested in administering them. Come the age of decolonisation, they washed their hands off and say, "Here's your independence. Enjoy."
I don`t know... But handful of Serbian assasins can be blamed, Austro-Hungary can`t be blamed for declaring war after assasination attempt, Russia can`t be blamed for honoring their alliance with Serbs, Germany can`t be blamed by honoring their alliance with Austro-Hungary, etc. No one country can be blamed, or one side. And Emperors/Kings long tried to keep it as just another conflict in Balkans, but politics are complicated and "quick war that ends before winter" happened.
Actually i do know: Ancient greeks. They invented democracy, but never managed to get it work for them, so they were punch of arguing city states- and have not evolved.
Actually i do know: Ancient greeks. They invented democracy, but never managed to get it work for them, so they were punch of arguing city states- and have not evolved.
The so called Serbian assassins were Bosnians and therefore subjects of the Emperor of Austria-Hungary. Anyway, the Austrians can definitely be blamed for starting a pointless war even though the Serbian government, which wasn't responsible for the assassination, had agreed to its conditions.
Not really no. Young Bosnia had ties with some Black hand activists from the Serbian secret service but they didn't work for Belgrade and it's ludicrous to claim they followed orders from the Serbian government (it seems the government even tried to prevent such activities). A century after the assassination, the involvement of the Serbian government remains unproven and I really can't understand why people have such a hard time accepting it.
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The involvement of the government may be murky, but you seem to be suggesting that Serbia had nothing to do with it and that's false.
There is absolutely nothing that could indicate Serbian government's involvement in the assassination. The highest placed Sebian official who might be involved was an army major who acted on his own accord. The best part is that Vienna knew perfectly about it. The war was pretty much decided beforehand, and FF's death was just a convenient excuse.
As Austrian investigators reported: “There is nothing to prove or even to suppose that the Serbian government is accessory to the inducement for the crime, its preparations, or the furnishing of weapons. On the contrary, there are reasons to believe that this altogether out of the question.”
Exactly. Also, note that Austria-Hungary decided to invade Serbia two weeks before any information about links to people in Serbia had even been discovered. The "Serbian connection" in the assassination was an excuse, nothing but.
So, it's not a question of "who was to blame for WWI?", it's a series of:
Who was to blame for an assassination?
Who was to blame for using an assassination as an excuse for a local land grab?
Who was to blame for escalating a local land grab into a regional conflict?
Who was to blame for escalating a regional conflict into a world war?
Somehow, I see a lot more than one guilty party in this matter.
Who was to blame for an assassination?
Who was to blame for using an assassination as an excuse for a local land grab?
Who was to blame for escalating a local land grab into a regional conflict?
Who was to blame for escalating a regional conflict into a world war?
Somehow, I see a lot more than one guilty party in this matter.
Young Bosnia and to some extent the Black Hand.
Austria-Hungary.
The first two are pretty easy but now it gets murky. To some extent, Russia, France, the UK, Germany and Austria-Hungary all share the blame but in the end I'd go with Germany and Austria-Hungary because ultimately it was them who chose to start the war while none of what Russia, France and the UK did was bound to cause a conflict.
Who am I kidding. IT WAS BELGIUM'S FAULT!
A group of Bosnian schoolboys, and the Serbian conspirators who supplied them with weapons.
Also, Austria-Hungary for forcibly occupying and colonising Bosnia against the wishes of the inhabitants in the first place.
Primarily Austria-Hungary, but also Germany for putting diplomatic pressure on them to resolve the issue quickly and violently.
Again, mostly Austria-Hungary, strongly encouraged by Germany.
You can blame Russia if you believe that the only correct response to aggression is surrender and give the aggressor what he wants.
Germany. (With the same caveat as before.)
just saw this BBC documentary that says Germany was most (but not solely) to blame for WWI, and that the Versailles treaty was pretty favourable towards Germany:
[video=youtube;Pg5LWHQYIrY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5LWHQYIrY[/video]
[video=youtube;Pg5LWHQYIrY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5LWHQYIrY[/video]
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