WC still possible or should i restart?

[bly08]

Here are some examples of distributing provinces to vassals:

Only the bordering province between Tunis and Fez was taken, rest were fed to different vassals hop by hop. Most of the provinces are coastal and thus in coring range for all Italian/Anatolian vassals that have ports.

Horde vassals are the best for coring due to their ideas and razing mechanic. All of the hordes are extended from the European border and given provinces in a way that maximizes their coring potential in future wars.

 

[Phantorex]

Some Tipps for what to take in peace Deals? Should i go for a fast 70-80 Warscore War or a 100 Warscore War?And break they contract with strong allies or should i take the forts or tentacles to the Capital of the Enemies?

I will try my hardest, but i know that its nearly impossible at this Point.
I think this run is not that bad for my second run. After Christmas i will try my luck with the Ottoman WC.

Thank you for all the advices.

Mare Nostrum wont be possible because i want the achievement with the last reform.

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

Some Tipps for what to take in peace Deals? Should i go for a fast 70-80 Warscore War or a 100 Warscore War?And break they contract with strong allies or should i take the forts or tentacles to the Capital of the Enemies?

Given how much of a nightmare sieging is, you wanna take fort provinces to make it easier next time. Sieging lvl8 forts is a hassle, even with tons of artillery.
Another tip, against large countries, try to chop them into a lot of small isolated parts in the peace deal, makes it easier for you to attack them next time.

 

[Phantorex]

Are all of this Countrys HRE Vassals?

Then you need to core all the Land to add it to the HRE and then release the Vassals?

 

[bly08]

Are all of this Countrys HRE Vassals?

Then you need to core all the Land to add it to the HRE and then release the Vassals?

Yep, need to take as much European land as possible before revoking so you can release as many vassals/marches as possible. More vassals/marches = bigger army = higher force limit = more monarch points sources = more land that can be fed = faster expansion:

The only priority in peace deals is to border as many new targets as possible and to extend as many vassals as possible. Some planning is required to find the best combination of provinces to take and which vassals the provinces should be transferred to. Note that there's no message for which ideas vassals take so you'd have to check often to see which have admin, diplo, or humanist.

 

[Phantorex]

You are controlling the whole World in 1525....

 

[ringhloth]

Yep, need to take as much European land as possible before revoking so you can release as many vassals/marches as possible. More vassals/marches = bigger army = higher force limit = more monarch points sources = more land that can be fed = faster expansion:

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The only priority in peace deals is to border as many new targets as possible and to extend as many vassals as possible. Some planning is required to find the best combination of provinces to take and which vassals the provinces should be transferred to. Note that there's no message for which ideas vassals take so you'd have to check often to see which have admin, diplo, or humanist.

Why does Scotland own part of England...?

 

[PirateAE]

likly to shrink small enough to get into HRE

 

[Dominion]

You are controlling the whole World in 1525....

He's barely in India.

Gotta admit though, I can never get enough of these 100 member HRE screenshots

 

[Phantorex]

He's barely in India.

Gotta admit though, I can never get enough from these 100 member HRE screenshots

Yeah it was a overstatement

 

[Vulkandrache]

You are controlling the whole World in 1525....

What hes showing there is really impressive from a progress standpoint but a nightmare for micromanagement.
If you think you know what youd have to go throu to play like that: You dont.

 

[gia257]

Ottomans have had 20% CCR for many patches. Here's some basic math.

- He has about 20k development left in the world and 109 years left.
- 20k/109 = 183 development/year.
- The OE, AE, war score and coring cost are reduced by admin efficiency, but he still has to fight all the wars, micro, manage vassals, kill rebels, so the time it takes to annex that development is only partially reduced.
- Expanding at anything past 100 dev/year takes a lot of experience, patience, and knowledge of mechanics.
- Expanding at 180 dev/year is pushing the limits of the game regardless of admin efficiency. It translates to conquering the entire world in a little more than 100 years.

On the likely chance that you don't believe me, take out a calculator next time and see how fast you were expanding after blobbing as hard as possible for 50 years late game.

100%ws at 70%eff + diplo (x1.2) + revolutionary(x2) is how much?, then you make client states and forget about it, however i take it cs are vassals too and cant be used with hre, does their power they affect hre vassals? because you could just have a bunch of disloyal cses so long as they dont declare independence.

Given how much of a nightmare sieging is, you wanna take fort provinces to make it easier next time. Sieging lvl8 forts is a hassle, even with tons of artillery.
Another tip, against large countries, try to chop them into a lot of small isolated parts in the peace deal, makes it easier for you to attack them next time.

not good if they end up chopped but not poor, youll have to siege more forts to get land next time (unless you will declare war again right after you peace ofc)

 

[bly08]

100%ws at 70%eff + diplo (x1.2) + revolutionary(x2) is how much?, then you make client states and forget about it, however i take it cs are vassals too and cant be used with hre, does their power they affect hre vassals? because you could just have a bunch of disloyal cses so long as they dont declare independence.


not good if they end up chopped but not poor, youll have to siege more forts to get land next time (unless you will declare war again right after you peace ofc)

The combined power of client states/non-HRE vassals would be dangerously high. Also need to be at peace to release CS which really slows down blobbing pace. The war score/OE reduction helps a lot but only up to a certain point. War micro, siege timers, rebel extermination, and coring time bottlenecks the in game time it would take to WC. HRE vassals probably won't have high absolutism either.

What hes showing there is really impressive from a progress standpoint but a nightmare for micromanagement.
If you think you know what youd have to go throu to play like that: You dont.

Almost shed a tear reading this.

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

not good if they end up chopped but not poor, youll have to siege more forts to get land next time (unless you will declare war again right after you peace ofc)

Forts are overall very expensive. The idea is to have an easy time carpet sieging him in the next war. Or better yet, if countries pop out of him due to the War Exhaustion and isolated pockets, free conquest for you!

 

[Dominion]

The combined power of client states/non-HRE vassals would be dangerously high. Also need to be at peace to release CS which really slows down blobbing pace. The war score/OE reduction helps a lot but only up to a certain point. War micro, siege timers, rebel extermination, and coring time bottlenecks the in game time it would take to WC. HRE vassals probably won't have high absolutism either.

Doesn't matter. I went for 15k in 100 years and it's managable.
Not very fun, but managable.
I did get lucky with 2 PUs admittedly, so mmv.

I agree that you need to be experienced. Difficulty may vary.

If you know vassal feeding, how to go revolutionary, and all the other basics you can do 11k with little to no effort.
Gets a bit tricky if it's more and you really need to map it out well, but still, 11k in 100 years is the absolute minimum you can do as long as you know your basics.

Almost tempted to say 18k can be done, but it sounds like a major PITA.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

War micro, siege timers, rebel extermination, and coring time bottlenecks the in game time it would take to WC. HRE vassals probably won't have high absolutism either.

Client states do have a niche role in that you can take land with your absolutism and stuff them to > 100% OE with "add to client state" (grant province does not allow this). While vassals are still pretty crappy, I have given a client state 440% OE in this patch and seen it get everything cored in about 20 years thanks to 30% admin efficiency and -35% core cost. They'll core down to ~10% OE, stab up, then finish. I wish they'd core to 0 OE first since that's more efficient, but they're a tool you can use in late game conquests.

They are also the only subject type you can easily scutage --> feed while truce breaking the same nation you took land off of and do it again.

Anyway his position can WC *easily*, while 1-tag would be pretty challenging.

Gets a bit tricky if it's more and you really need to map it out well, but still, 11k in 100 years is the absolute minimum you can do as long as you know your basics.

1. Get strong.
2. In rev times attack the largest nations 1st and blast them to < 800 development.
3. Full annex every enemy in 1 war from then on out.

Rev government will have 700-1000+ troops and 5/5/5 advisors, in worst case you can't get everything cored so you just full annex a bunch of nations at once before the game ends. 1000% overextension only matters if there are > 10 months left (realistically more since rebels will take some time to end you).

 

[Dominion]

Sounds ugly though. Probably looks ugly too.

I mean if that's your standard you can technically annex the whole world as long as you get 2k dev before running amok.

 

[bly08]

Doesn't matter. I went for 15k in 100 years and it's managable.
Not very fun, but managable.
I did get lucky with 2 PUs admittedly, so mmv.

I agree that you need to be experienced. Difficulty may vary.

If you know vassal feeding, how to go revolutionary, and all the other basics you can do 11k with little to no effort.
Gets a bit tricky if it's more and you really need to map it out well, but still, 11k in 100 years is the absolute minimum you can do as long as you know your basics.

Almost tempted to say 18k can be done, but it sounds like a major PITA.

True, but 15k/100 years even in the last 100 years probably isn't possible without a few thousand hours and multiple WCs under the belt. 20k dev left might also be a conservative estimate even considering CN inheriting, PUs, etc.

Client states do have a niche role in that you can take land with your absolutism and stuff them to > 100% OE with "add to client state" (grant province does not allow this). While vassals are still pretty crappy, I have given a client state 440% OE in this patch and seen it get everything cored in about 20 years thanks to 30% admin efficiency and -35% core cost. They'll core down to ~10% OE, stab up, then finish. I wish they'd core to 0 OE first since that's more efficient, but they're a tool you can use in late game conquests.

They are also the only subject type you can easily scutage --> feed while truce breaking the same nation you took land off of and do it again.

Anyway his position can WC *easily*, while 1-tag would be pretty challenging.

I've seen some weird subject interaction stuff like a lone HRE vassal Siena declaring right after the revoke:

or HRE members joining wars against the emperor. Afraid to guess what would happen if half the world is fed to non-HRE client states.

I did end up taking around 17k in 80 years without absolutism but it was with a bunch of stuff that PDX wouldn't be too happy about.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Oh that's right, I forgot the AI's independence war logic was broken this patch.

Screenshots like the above should not happen. That's not a "yolo war". That's abject suicide. Might not be able to do vassal spam WC this patch if the AI is willing to pull this while at war now.

 

[Dominion]

True, but 15k/100 years even in the last 100 years probably isn't possible without a few thousand hours and multiple WCs under the belt. 20k dev left might also be a conservative estimate even considering CN inheriting, PUs, etc.

Thing is, with adm eff, ws red from dip, ws red from rev, napoleonic warfare and barrage you end up with ~1.400 relative dev to conquer, no fort stronger than lvl4 and you can pump all provinces into vassals.
Them being disloyal doesn't matter because vassals can't declare independence as long as they're at war.
At least until the current patch. But them not being able to declare independence has been standard for many patches now (for whatever reason).

Or just go like TMIT and DoW everything at once, sit on it until the last few years and grab the whole world by sending peace treaties for an hour.