WC possible?/advice

[spiller68]

Hello ive played this game a lot and around 2 weeks ago i got the mare nostrum achievement and thought id try and get the WC achievement as the ottos. It's 1542 and im not sure how well im doing, any advice you guys have would be very usefull as my expansion has slowed down a bit recently due to lack of admin (bad ruler who ive been trying to kill for 25 years but he just wont die). the idea groups ive taken so far are admin, influence and quantity, also crimea is my vassal.

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[CountKino]

Expansion will speed up massively when you start building admin efficiency (through absolutism and admin tech), so don't worry about slowing down before then. You just need to set yourself up as all-powerful for when that hits. Current progress is fine.

My advice would be to focus on pushing through east to India, assigning all of the land to trade companies. Given that neither Bahmanis or Vijaynagar are there, you could potentially release them and reconquest a lot of their land before integrating. You really shouldn't bother pushing much further north or west until later on.
You essentially want to work your way towards Ming.

Do trigger the Court & Country disaster when you can, it's well worth it in the long run. The disaster is pretty easy to deal with and will absolutely pay for itself, it gives you lots of opportunities to build absolutism too (although you need to get to 50 to start it off).

You probably want to take Humanist ideas next, the tolerance and reduced separatism combined with Ottoman ideas will make rebel problems fairly tame.

You also may as well integrate Crimea now, you have the diplo.

 

[gia257]

It is too late now, you should restart as ulm and form italy with it for the core cost reduction

more seriously, why o you only have one vassal, all your diplo slots should be vassals, get aragon/castille (whoever has more cores), kazhak, persia/timurids (whoever has more cores), lithuania/poland if you can get a second war before its cores expire, vj or bahmanis if they have many cores, do not get morocco tlemcen or tunis no matter what

to get as vassal get a single correct culture core and use release vassal

 

[Dominion]

Wrong direction. Horde land is dirt.
A bigger name doesn't mean your nation is stronger.

Play it to the end, trigger Court and Country to get a feeling for it, go over the board with lategame expansion to learn about your limits.
Then restart and push into Persia or at least North Africa > Iberia instead of going north.

WC is still possible, WC is pretty much always possible if the date is <1650

 

[ianchen12345]

ughhh.. Spain formed, Commonwealth formed, Russia formed... It's still doable definitely.... but could've done better. Expand to India now...
If you wanna restart, keep in mind that breaking the formation of Commonblob, Russiablob early and Spain (potential blob) would make late game much easier.

 

[gia257]

ughhh.. Spain formed, Commonwealth formed, Russia formed... It's still doable definitely.... but could've done better. Expand to India now...
If you wanna restart, keep in mind that breaking the formation of Commonblob, Russiablob early and Spain (potential blob) would make late game much easier.

you want commonwealth and spain to form, that way you can reconquest the minor that got eaten

russia is good if you PU them, or if you get someone to eat them, and then reconquest them, because they get so many claims, although the second is hard
regardless, its good anyway if you want all provinces, since they will get siberia done for you

 

[Dominion]

you want commonwealth and spain to form, that way you can reconquest the minor that got eaten

russia is good if you PU them, or if you get someone to eat them, and then reconquest them, because they get so many claims, although the second is hard
regardless, its good anyway if you want all provinces, since they will get siberia done for you

What do you mean by get Siberia done?

I thought it has become en vogue again to tentacle north and cut them off. Or at least equal in popularity to other styles.

I usually PU them because it's free dev, what do they have to do in Siberia?

 

[gia257]

What do you mean by get Siberia done?

I thought it has become en vogue again to tentacle north and cut them off. Or at least equal in popularity to other styles.

I usually PU them because it's free dev, what do they have to do in Siberia?

colonize it, I bet its popular to cut them off

before their "free siberia" idea id have advocated for it since they didnt colonize fast enough

 

[Mismangaement]

Hello ive played this game a lot and around 2 weeks ago i got the mare nostrum achievement and thought id try and get the WC achievement as the ottos. It's 1542 and im not sure how well im doing, any advice you guys have would be very usefull as my expansion has slowed down a bit recently due to lack of admin (bad ruler who ive been trying to kill for 25 years but he just wont die). the idea groups ive taken so far are admin, influence and quantity, also crimea is my vassal.

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India > trade company land > ducats > win pretty much, but nice expansion anyway. admin efficiency will greatly increase in age of absolutism and you should be able to wc from there

 

[ianchen12345]

you want commonwealth and spain to form, that way you can reconquest the minor that got eaten

russia is good if you PU them, or if you get someone to eat them, and then reconquest them, because they get so many claims, although the second is hard
regardless, its good anyway if you want all provinces, since they will get siberia done for you

ehh i bet op is doing SUNNI Ottomans... If he goes Catholic/Orthodox then he should have taken RELIGIOUS ideas. Yes Having Commonwealth form and do reconquest using Lithuania's core would be nice. but still i think it's better to just break it (release Teutons/take Wawanesa that province). For Spain if Spain never formed fighting it would be easy. Just use Catalonia as a vassal. Would also be nice if Granada is alive (in my game it is and i made it into my vassal)
edit: I mean Orthodox only if he's Catholic.... well i never been Catholic ottomans before so... yeah

 

[gia257]

if you let granada die while still sunni you get refugees

 

[ianchen12345]

if you let granada die while still sunni you get refugees

well i tried either way. 1) No cb Granada and force vassal. Don't like it. 2) Sometimes (very rarely though) Aragon declares war on Castile on Narvarra succession and won. Or Granada + Morocco + Tunis somehow won against Castile (probably what happened was Portugal gave access + Castile didn't call Portugal). I have maybe like 2/10 games where Granada survived (either as an OPM or some sort or straight out winning). Yes i know the refugee thing. getting Catalonia can already basically eat up a lot of Spain cores (Aragon but u can expand to Castile slowly).

NO need to get Granada. It's optional. but if it survived.. make it a vassal and use reconquest.

The best ALLY to have is France. No joke. It can help u kill Spain and Austria and sometimes Poland blob.

 

[spiller68]

Wrong direction. Horde land is dirt.
A bigger name doesn't mean your nation is stronger.

Play it to the end, trigger Court and Country to get a feeling for it, go over the board with lategame expansion to learn about your limits.
Then restart and push into Persia or at least North Africa > Iberia instead of going north.

WC is still possible, WC is pretty much always possible if the date is <1650

i took the horde land to cut offf russia/muscovy from expanding east

ehh i bet op is doing SUNNI Ottomans... If he goes Catholic/Orthodox then he should have taken RELIGIOUS ideas. Yes Having Commonwealth form and do reconquest using Lithuania's core would be nice. but still i think it's better to just break it (release Teutons/take Wawanesa that province). For Spain if Spain never formed fighting it would be easy. Just use Catalonia as a vassal. Would also be nice if Granada is alive (in my game it is and i made it into my vassal)
edit: I mean Orthodox only if he's Catholic.... well i never been Catholic ottomans before so... yeah

yes im currently sunni, never really thought about changing religion to expand into europe through PU, i thought it was best to leave europe for last for when i have imperialism.

 

[Dominion]

i took the horde land to cut offf russia/muscovy from expanding east

Nice plan. Has become en vogue again from what I've heard.
But you're sitting between two chairs.

Too slow to cut them off in a meaningful way and yet you are pushing north, eating 3dev provinces with no trade or production value. You'll end up with lots of worthless provinces for only minor gains.

Next time try to be faster or ignore them until lategame. Their land turns into free dev after ~1700