If you manage with trust and are careful with how much you take at once to west, it's fine. There's upside to keeping them to ~2-3k dev rather than 4k too.
WC/One Faith strategy as Timurids on 1.34
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Try conquering just one province preventing them from completing mission for claims. The best option is when they can't complete mission Safeguard Anatolia - Bitlis or Hisn Kayfa seems to be the best - one low dev province isn't enough to break the alliance. Ottomans never broke alliance with me and were never interested in conquering Syria or Egypt.
When conquering Syria I didn't use any troops, Ottomans did all the fighting and because it was reconquest war they didn't want any land.
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Because of india quickly becoming major blobs you can just truce cycle to manage ae
The intent is a timmies which lost vassals or a timmie vassal forming timmies. Claims cant be too kind as ai timmies is way too stable compared to irl
Makes sense now. I guess we can have two mission trees, one for game start Timurids with claims for new land and another with the existing one.
I am planning to share my progress here and I am hoping I can get some advice. Most of the guides and YouTube videos are focusing the very beginning, and they don't go into much detail.
I am at war with Tibetan countries and will annex Guge into my vassal, Ladakh.
Ajam and QQ are next but I have peace until 1464 and 1467 respectively. Delhi is around 1474.
Hormuz is allied with a very aggressive Mamluks. I constantly checked Mamluks to attack Hormuz without them joining but they never had a big war so far. I vassalized Haasa for their navy to help with Hormuz and it didn't help because I couldn't attack Hormuz but it helped me spawning Renaissance in Herat with the additional 10% dev cost reduction.
I should have gone for Najd or Dawasir for AE. Oman was an option, too but they're landlocked by Hormuz.
Other than Ajam, QQ and Delhi, if I can manage to eat some of Baluchistan, Uzbek and may be some more from Arabia, that'd be great.
I don't take government reforms as I will form Mughals. I'll use the points at that time.
I am slowly converting in Persia. I have a level 3 Inquisitor (50% cheaper) and Religion Enforced state edict enabled for that. Propagate religion is also active in India. I should get the monuments in Arabia and Middle East for extra missionaries and missionary strength.
I have money and I used it to improve trade centers, built some trade buildings and workshops. I don't know if I should build farm estates. It is very expensive and I don't know if I should save my money for the better manufactories. I admit I mostly never use them but the games I played this past year were all achievement focused ones and all of them were completed before 1600s.
When I form Mughals which I will as soon as I complete the Timurid missions, I will mostly focus on India, move my trade capital back to Persia node and expand into Mamluks and Africa. I'll see if I can get to Malta, Rome and Granada for the monuments.
I picked admin and I'm planning to continue with Diplo and Religious.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions. I'll continue posting and I hope I'll get some feedback.
I am at war with Tibetan countries and will annex Guge into my vassal, Ladakh.
Ajam and QQ are next but I have peace until 1464 and 1467 respectively. Delhi is around 1474.
Hormuz is allied with a very aggressive Mamluks. I constantly checked Mamluks to attack Hormuz without them joining but they never had a big war so far. I vassalized Haasa for their navy to help with Hormuz and it didn't help because I couldn't attack Hormuz but it helped me spawning Renaissance in Herat with the additional 10% dev cost reduction.
I should have gone for Najd or Dawasir for AE. Oman was an option, too but they're landlocked by Hormuz.
Other than Ajam, QQ and Delhi, if I can manage to eat some of Baluchistan, Uzbek and may be some more from Arabia, that'd be great.
I don't take government reforms as I will form Mughals. I'll use the points at that time.
I am slowly converting in Persia. I have a level 3 Inquisitor (50% cheaper) and Religion Enforced state edict enabled for that. Propagate religion is also active in India. I should get the monuments in Arabia and Middle East for extra missionaries and missionary strength.
I have money and I used it to improve trade centers, built some trade buildings and workshops. I don't know if I should build farm estates. It is very expensive and I don't know if I should save my money for the better manufactories. I admit I mostly never use them but the games I played this past year were all achievement focused ones and all of them were completed before 1600s.
When I form Mughals which I will as soon as I complete the Timurid missions, I will mostly focus on India, move my trade capital back to Persia node and expand into Mamluks and Africa. I'll see if I can get to Malta, Rome and Granada for the monuments.
I picked admin and I'm planning to continue with Diplo and Religious.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions. I'll continue posting and I hope I'll get some feedback.
You already get claims in mesoptmia for forming timmies so dont think its super needed
Don't worry, you keep the number of gov reforms you had. Your first 4 Timmy gov reforms will be replaced by Mughal Diwan, Zabt System, etc.
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When I formed Mughals, I did not have any reforms enacted. Forming Mughals gave me the first two for free. With the reform points I have, I was able to get the next two. Am I dreaming or I actually had my reform progress used for the first two reforms, too? I formed Mughals in 1480 if it helps to give an idea of how much points I could have.
Fast forward to 1480, just before I formed Mughals. I completed the mission tree except the 20 manufactories one.
I have Iraq with all its cores and some claims from AQ and Mushasha. Ottomans have perma claims on AQ and they may break their alliance. If I use this opportunity and get some AQ land, how can I make sure Ottos don't do the same to me? I have lots of favors and I think I have around 60 trust. I can buy more trust and improve relations. What is the criteria?
I have Dawasir and Kazakh which I can use their claims to expand in those directions. I'll release Ladakh because I can't annex it now. It was a mistake to vassalize it in the first place but that was my very first Diet.
I ate most of Western India already but I'll be mostly following Mughal missions for extra coring cost reductions from perma claims and don't get extra land unless there is a unique, opportunistic situation.
I also got Mecca and Medinah from Mamluks and now converting with two missionaries.
QUESTION: Once I form Mughals, I'll move my trade capital back to Herat. Capital will stay in Delhi. What should I do with TC? All Timurids land is stated. India is also very juicy and I want to state those, too. It is too much admin as a big downside. I can't TC it now anyways. Do I also move my capital to somewhere else to TC India? I also feel like it is wasted if I don't state diplo annexed lands. I also know the gold provinces must be stated, too. Mughals' non-accepted culture penalties are much less and eventually can accept them all, that makes it even more encouraging to state more provinces than I'd normally do.
I will eventually move my trade capital to Europe for better trade.
I know there is no one right way but I appreciate some feedback. I think this latest patch makes it easier to deal with GC since we can spam those buildings everywhere now.
Ming also rivaled me and now fighting Chagatai. I may end up bordering them very soon.
I have Iraq with all its cores and some claims from AQ and Mushasha. Ottomans have perma claims on AQ and they may break their alliance. If I use this opportunity and get some AQ land, how can I make sure Ottos don't do the same to me? I have lots of favors and I think I have around 60 trust. I can buy more trust and improve relations. What is the criteria?
I have Dawasir and Kazakh which I can use their claims to expand in those directions. I'll release Ladakh because I can't annex it now. It was a mistake to vassalize it in the first place but that was my very first Diet.
I ate most of Western India already but I'll be mostly following Mughal missions for extra coring cost reductions from perma claims and don't get extra land unless there is a unique, opportunistic situation.
I also got Mecca and Medinah from Mamluks and now converting with two missionaries.
QUESTION: Once I form Mughals, I'll move my trade capital back to Herat. Capital will stay in Delhi. What should I do with TC? All Timurids land is stated. India is also very juicy and I want to state those, too. It is too much admin as a big downside. I can't TC it now anyways. Do I also move my capital to somewhere else to TC India? I also feel like it is wasted if I don't state diplo annexed lands. I also know the gold provinces must be stated, too. Mughals' non-accepted culture penalties are much less and eventually can accept them all, that makes it even more encouraging to state more provinces than I'd normally do.
I will eventually move my trade capital to Europe for better trade.
I know there is no one right way but I appreciate some feedback. I think this latest patch makes it easier to deal with GC since we can spam those buildings everywhere now.
Ming also rivaled me and now fighting Chagatai. I may end up bordering them very soon.
80+ trust is what you need.
For TC, I think with india/persia as state you will be fine. Maybe the cloves island too along with gold.
For TC, I think with india/persia as state you will be fine. Maybe the cloves island too along with gold.
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Can you show south of India? Bahmanis is becoming strong but I'd like to know how it is looking in the south. If Vijanagar is small and has lots of cores you can vassalize it and use reconquest on Bahmanis. Reconquest allows you to take more land especially if you have diplo and age of reformation age ability.
If you conquer it yourself and complete mission for admin efficiency you will give this land to Deccan anyway so subject doesn't hurt. Just keep 2 provinces you need to own for missions - Golconda and Daulatabad
If you conquer it yourself and complete mission for admin efficiency you will give this land to Deccan anyway so subject doesn't hurt. Just keep 2 provinces you need to own for missions - Golconda and Daulatabad
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This is my start for such campaign - I conquered only Baluchistan, Sirhind and Delhi and rest was reconquest. Ottomans defeated Mamluks and QQ for me and I recieved free land - Syria, Iraq, Mushasha.
Kazakh is reconquest on Uzbekh, Yarkand reconquest on Chagatai, Delhi is reconquest on Jaunpur (I saved OPM Delhi during their war with Sirhind).
Because of that I didn't need much admin for coring and I stated everything for faster reformprogress
Kazakh is reconquest on Uzbekh, Yarkand reconquest on Chagatai, Delhi is reconquest on Jaunpur (I saved OPM Delhi during their war with Sirhind).
Because of that I didn't need much admin for coring and I stated everything for faster reformprogress
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Is it worth taking iraq as a vassal? Mushaha also has the 1 persian province you need no?
Iraq is a pretty fast reconquest and you can use their trade power to steer trade into Persia for you.
You can also use it to chain reconquests by taking Rahba and releasing Syria as a vassal. and going into the Mamluks.
it depends. In my game QQ conquered land from Mushasha and it was OPM so I could reconquer about 40-50 dev.
I couldn't core whole Iraq because I used Ardalans CB to declare on QQ and there was no land conection. I decided to release it to avoid overextension.
If I would have to fight QQ myself it would be waste of resources but there are Ottomans who can do the fighting, I don't spend any gold or manpower so it doesn't hurt and you can get cores of both nations in one war
You can go over relation limit, you pay diplo points for it but does it really hurt when I'm 1 or 2 diplo techs behind as Timurids and later Mughals?
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This is very good! Are you planning to take Influence ideas? In my other games, I heavily rely on vassals and reconquest CB but I always end up being behind in Diplo Tech and I never can make Influence a priority when I choose ideas.
Jaunpur is enemies with Bahmanis and Bengal. VJ rivals Bahmanis. I dissolved my alliance with Jaunpur, warned Bahmanis and will most likely ally VJ soon. I must focus on India but I have some good opportunities I don't want to miss on the West. I can get high value Trade Centers in Aden/Hormuz area and also pick up the rest of AQ/QQ before Ottomans take it. I will have very high relations and trust with Otto but I suspect it'd be enough to keep the alliance because of the number of the provinces I will have that Ottomans have claims on.
just diplomatic for lower province cost. I use subjects at the beginnig and when influence pays for itself I don't need it anymore
Don't bother with VJ and Bahmanis, let them destroy each other. I thought VJ will be smaller with big Bahmanis and maybe you could vassalize VJ and reconquer. In your situation I would take province needed to release Madurai and Bijapur - both have cores on about 100 dev.
I would also check cores of Malwa, Mewar and Orissa, maybe one of them also could be good subject for reconquest in the future.
For me Madurai would be priority so I could fight VJ during truce with Bahmanis, taking their coast reduces income greatly. In your situation you can use holy war on VJ but after the war you need to core provinces and fight some rebels, using subject would allow you to keep all armies in the north and don't bother with rebels (no separatism)
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