WC:is it possible in DW?

[rachini]

I never tried playing a wc in dw.what stops me from thinking about that idea is the next fact.
Wc->high infamy->nobles "wtfpuwnedlmaol" revolts of 23k a stack and they spawn like flies!->army fights them->high attrition->high rr ,like 50 %->peasants, nationalists revolts->downward spiral->your 300 provinces country is now 300 countries that you are in war against.

Any ideas ?or my experience is totally wrong?
Btw being the industrious person that i am,my sliders are all for tech/eff side.
Thanks u.

 

[stnikolauswagne]

It is easily possible, even as early as the end of the 17th century. The trick is to just not get a high infamy, you expand as fast with 4 infamy as you would with 14.
To the topic of sliders: Better go full narrowminded and serfdom. Your tech will be backwards, but you have around 15 times the army size of every country that can opppose you and AI countries in general are very bad with tech and inflation management.

 

[Simberto]

Backwards tech is a problem when you want to do a WC under the infamy limit, since it delays imperialism, cabinet, and rev/counterrev. Should still be possible, but obviously later.

 

[Magnive]

And PUs, lots and lots of PUs

 

[stnikolauswagne]

Backwards tech is a problem when you want to do a WC under the infamy limit, since it delays imperialism, cabinet, and rev/counterrev. Should still be possible, but obviously later.

Nah, as long as you focus on government tech you will still get the "ahead of time"-stuff since you have enough income. Your military tech after lvl 18 is pretty much a non-issue since until much, much later you will probably be fighting only muslim/indian/chinese tech-nations. Also you will want to PU two-three majors early on. Those are all you need in case you have to PU other big nations.
E: Also narrowminded burns infamy like nothing else, so you pretty much have to take it.
Serfdom helps a bit with the finances, but most importantly, coupled with "Trading in Wine" and CAD makes stability cost less than one months income. I am pretty sure that the 20% tech-bonus you get from full free subjects are in the end much, much lower since you have to pay so much more for stabcosts.

 

[alexti]

With "Trading in Wine" and narrowmindedness you can keep serfdom at 0 or 1 and still have stability recovery within two months. And that's enough to stay ahead in tech. When I did cheese-free (no PU, releasing cored vassals and stuff like that) WC I was ahead of time in all tech except naval (which was kind of useless past 20 since there was no naval powers left). It has somewhat surprised me - I thought it would be difficult to maintain cutting edge tech while doing WC, but apparently if you build nothing but trade line buildings it's not the case I think I got imperialism around 1620, before I've run out of targets for Holy War (and now I'm thinking that both those CB (Holy War and Imperialism) are kind of cheesy too - you can just take whatever you like for 1 or 2 infamy respectively)

 

[rachini]

I think im missing something.what about those wc with more than 200 infamy?how can they still manage with overextension and high infamy? I conquered some lands of france and ended hp with 37/28 infamy and after 10 years my whole hre crumbled with 3 states declaring independance and 20 or so armies of rebels here and there,and almost 20 provinces ceded to them.

 

[unmerged(204522)]

narrowminded gives papal influence, which gives cardinals, which gives BB reduction as long as youre catholic. overextension can be offset with CAD NI and high legitimacy.

 

[rachini]

narrowminded gives papal influence, which gives cardinals, which gives BB reduction as long as youre catholic. overextension can be offset with CAD NI and high legitimacy.

Mm thank you for the notice.but whats a cad?

 

[rachini]

Side question:Whats so great about pu that everyone considers them a hack? You get cores? What else?

 

[stnikolauswagne]

Side question:Whats so great about pu that everyone considers them a hack? You get cores? What else?

You dont pay infamy. Thats pretty much it, its land for free!
CAD stands for chruch attendance duty.
Also you seem to misunderstand how a WC works nowadays. The 200 BB WC's you see are from earlier versions, nowadays the goal of a WC is to stay under the BB limit, most likely in the range from 2-7 all the time. With PU's it is very easy to still conquer the world around 1700.

 

[rachini]

You dont pay infamy. Thats pretty much it, its land for free!
CAD stands for chruch attendance duty.
Also you seem to misunderstand how a WC works nowadays. The 200 BB WC's you see are from earlier versions, nowadays the goal of a WC is to stay under the BB limit, most likely in the range from 2-7 all the time. With PU's it is very easy to still conquer the world around 1700.

Yeah that was the point of the topic.i was intrigued if there was still a wc in dw given that the infamy doesnt work like previous versions did.

When integrating a country ,you core him entirely? Even his new acquired non cored provinces?

 

[rachini]

You dont pay infamy. Thats pretty much it, its land for free!
CAD stands for chruch attendance duty.
Also you seem to misunderstand how a WC works nowadays. The 200 BB WC's you see are from earlier versions, nowadays the goal of a WC is to stay under the BB limit, most likely in the range from 2-7 all the time. With PU's it is very easy to still conquer the world around 1700.

Yeah that was the point of the topic.i was intrigued if there was still a wc in dw given that the infamy doesnt work like previous versions did.

When integrating a country ,you core him entirely? Even his new acquired non cored provinces?

 

[stnikolauswagne]

When integrating a country ,you core him entirely? Even his new acquired non cored provinces?

You pretty much never integrate, you wait for inheritance, in which case you might get cores, but only if the country was in your culture group or you both are members of the HRE.

 

[unmerged(204522)]

PU/inheritance can gain you hundreds of provinces for zero infamy, instead of 2 BB each with imperialism/cleansing of heresy/revolution CBs. add hundreds of horde provinces colonised for zero infamy and WC is easier in DW than ever before-biggest obstacle seems to be the bugs that interfere with the conquest of japan.

 

[unmerged(80402)]

Is WC possible in DW : Answer : YEAH IT IS!

EDIT: It is even possible to do it before 1500. But it is realy hard to do it so fast.

 

[sprites]

This is still theorical , and the earliest reported was from IN , where you could blow your infamy limit without trouble.

 

[stnikolauswagne]

I am pretty sure that 1500 is a little bit to early, even if you inherit everyone in Europe within the first 10 years you'd still only have very little time. Remember that conquering Japan alone takes 30+ Years, Annexing Ming also takes lots of time....

 

[unmerged(80402)]

This is still theorical , and the earliest reported was from IN , where you could blow your infamy limit without trouble.

Yes, but in DW, you can annex countries with more than 1 province, you got 0 infamy reconquest CB, you can force PU's, you can form HRE, conquer provinces for 1 infamy holy war, release vassals just to burn infamy, build embassy, make cultural decision to burn infamy, hire 6 star diplomat, use sphere of influence to diplovassalize everyone possible, and use all possible exploits, plus eat hordes.

In IN, you got to conqer every singe OPM, on your way, which slowed expansion dramaticaly, plus every war on christian meant -1 stab, unless you controlled the papacy, and excommunicated everyone. And as infamy prevents controlling the curia, it was unlikely that you would be able to controll it until you got conquered all christian nations on earth. I think that practicaly in DW it is even easier to conquer the world fast than in IN.

 

[unmerged(204522)]

infamy is not the issue-there is no way you could defeat the timurids and GH and colonise hundreds of horde provinces in the first hundred years, even with colonist size set to 400.