WC as Poland

[Wojtekznewark]

Hi all
That's my first post, so I would like to say hallo to everyone. I'm quite experienced player. I've been playing EU 4 for several years now, but never hunting for achievements or massive blobbing. I'm trying to to WC as Poland at the moment, Have got full humanistic, infuence, administration and defensive. Got good economy but poor trade (never was good on trade). Good about 50+ monthly with full maintain armys and lvl 3 advisors. Also I'm absolute monarchy with force limit about 180. What do you think about my capability to conquer the world ?. I've read that I should be in china by now, but I was conquering other lands...

Do you think I can do it as per now ? I'm going after Ming now. Is it to late for it ?

 

[MateuszNH]

Well it would be easy peasy if u were Emperor of HRE. Defensive is very good as first idea (and for multiplayer) but only quantity is important miltary idea for WC (if u are not experienced in making WC, otherwise u don't need any), i would take dip/inf first or administrative (despite what u need more, less AE or core cost), and administrative before humanist (maybe not if u went orthodox). But sure u have a chance, if u don't want or can't get emperor, just dismantle HRE.

 

[gia257]

you dont have a lot of dev, correct? its possible but you probably wont pull it off, unless you read on revolutionary and become one, and also take peace deals at 200%oe left and right (release client states so you dont explode)

do reach china, ming takes at least 600%

 

[Wojtekznewark]

I 've got 2700 dev at the moment. I'm going east now. I just realised that getting humalism not quantity was a poor decision. I will continue this run. I'm going to pick up Quantity and Diplomatic as next ideas. I've never been a revolutionary but will become one now.

 

[Horn and Ivory]

I 've got 2700 dev at the moment. I'm going east now. I just realised that getting humalism not quantity was a poor decision. I will continue this run. I'm going to pick up Quantity and Diplomatic as next ideas. I've never been a revolutionary but will become one now.

Deinitely finish the run. The only way to get good at late-game super blobbing is to practise.

 

[gia257]

I 've got 2700 dev at the moment. I'm going east now. I just realised that getting humalism not quantity was a poor decision. I will continue this run. I'm going to pick up Quantity and Diplomatic as next ideas. I've never been a revolutionary but will become one now.

your goal is to get to 6k by 1700 (this is not a normal value, im just eyeballing given your current dev), if you fail and get to 5k, then continue with revolutionary, if you get a lot more, then awesome, maybe you were never in trouble, if you only get to 3k then you know you wont make it at all, but can still continue to get experience.

Humanist start is not that wc like, but ive done poland with humanist start and about your set (except i never pick defensive, so I was quantity or aristocratic probably) and with revolutionary it was possible to wc (I got bored and speed 5 around 1760 because my goal was poland can into space, not wc)

if you have an opportunity try to pu some big catholic (france or austria usually), that way you get a lot of land in one go

 

[TheMeInTeam]

This is my closest screenshot from my Poland 1-tag run, with humanist taken:



Just after going rev:



I briefly went for Italy then back, because I was also going for "Poland can into space" which means I needed 32/32/32 tech. Italy ensured I'd have the points to make it. I finished up the 1-tag around 1790.



As for your progress, get into trade company land as fast as you can. I see no reason you can't one-tag also from that position, your idea group choices are reasonable (pick up diplomatic soon to take more per war) and you already have good advisors. If you hold decent pace you'll make it. I didn't do HRE in my game, but if you're used to blasting through reforms to revoke that's another option for you.

I agree that practice with 100 absolutism + imperialism, revolutionary, or state-less nationalism (for big targets only) will help you in the future even if you don't make it this run. From the date/position you're showing it's still quite doable to 1-tag and simple WC (making lots of subjects) is relatively easy.

 

[Viadro]

Imo too late for a WC, whole India untouched yet, not to mention Ming itself.

Polish:
Tak czy siak dobra robota i warto sprobowac

 

[Zwirbaum]

If you want to compare - this is my summary of my World Conquest run as Poland/Commonwealth - where I went with the basic stipulation of making relaxed WC, with as little gimmicky stuff and with the personal rule 'no coalitions' - as in no coalition ever pulled the trigger on me. (IIRC) I made mistake at the end and finished one-tag couple years later than I should, because I couldn't find where was the last Spanish province in the peace deal (It did cost me almost 7 years) - 1809/1816 was the year when I did finish one-tagging.
Warning: it is video in Polish language

Idea groups I went with were following: Influence - Quantity - Religious (mistake, but oh well, decided to stick with it, because relaxed approach) - Admin - Diplomatic - Humanist - Offensive - Aristocratic (for the lulz).

If you want to watch the entire game, you can easily find the rest of the videos there.

 

[Wojtekznewark]

Below screen to compare in same year as yours. At the moment im on a war vs India and straight after it I go for a first war against Ming. 3600 dev at the moment.
I just get 6/6/3 ruler so it should be easier from now on. Even if I won't do WC I can still get other polish achievement like poland into space.

 

[Drachenfels]

It's perfectly doable, but will be a bit close call by the end of the run.

If you interested into some benchmarks, I did this google doc where I track all my WQ games:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JfTxITS9G-B_0TojbI1JZQ7G8y7nuYgozSoKIqwBycs/edit?usp=sharing

As some mentioned 2700 dev in ~1630 looks ok'ish, 6k dev in 1700 is basically must. Keep in mind that in fact money >> dev. As you need tons of them to have unlimited manpower and and stuff.

And remember if you fail. Try again. :-D

 

[Wojtekznewark]

Hi, its me agaiin

I just reached 1700 and instead of 6 k dev I actually I've got 6500, good income and 540 army. Now I need to swap into rev empire. Do you think I'm on good way for WC as per now?

 

[CountKino]

Hi, its me agaiin

I just reached 1700 and instead of 6 k dev I actually I've got 6500, good income and 540 army. Now I need to swap into rev empire. Do you think I'm on good way for WC as per now?

Yep, I'd say you're doing absolutely fine from that screenshot.

Obviously money seems fine, but there is absolutely no way that is the best way to have your merchants set up, collecting in loads of nodes like that. Your manpower looks to be getting short, so making more money and using more mercenaries is probably a good idea.

 

[Wojtekznewark]

I've got no problem with manpawer as I'm using 5 army proffessionalism to gain some when in need. I never had a single merc unit in this game. I realize my trade sucks, I'm focusing on building manufacturies forgeting trade. I will try to do something about it.

 

[gia257]

I've got no problem with manpawer as I'm using 5 army proffessionalism to gain some when in need. I never had a single merc unit in this game. I realize my trade sucks, I'm focusing on building manufacturies forgeting trade. I will try to do something about it.

if you are building manufactories and not caring about trade you may be builing income for europe, not yourself, care about trade

if you hit zero manpower build some mercs you got the money, if you dont start losing cannon manpower you are fine, also dont build all the manufactories anymore, only very rich ones or those you are close to their bonus

 

[CountKino]

I've got no problem with manpawer as I'm using 5 army proffessionalism to gain some when in need. I never had a single merc unit in this game. I realize my trade sucks, I'm focusing on building manufacturies forgeting trade. I will try to do something about it.

Manufactories make way more than the tooltip tells you. The 0.65 ducats or whatever is just what they'll make from production, but they also add extra goods and consequently a lot more trade value to a node.

This is impossible to tell without more information, but I would think the best situation for you based on the territory you currently have is:
Move Main Trade Capital to Constantinople - Use Merchants to push everything you can to this node. Look for places where loads of trade is going the wrong way, for instance often Alexandria may be losing a lot to Genoa/Venice. If in doubt, any upstream node will help multiply up your earnings.

Also Collect in Baltic Sea - Will make use of all the Eastern European trade that you can't push to Constantinople.

You are missing out on a lot of money and it'd be easy to move a few merchants around.

 

[Wojtekznewark]

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Hi all,
I become a revolutionary republic on 14 october 1716 and has about 7,8 k development. I'm going on a wor with Ming at the moment. What should I do with colonial nations like france ? How to conquest their land ? Is there any smart way? I'm still doing something wrong with trade. Can't figure it out. It looks like I'm earing more when I'm lolecting everywhere.

 

[Wojtekznewark]

Here with update on my WC try. At the moment I've got about 11k development. I've just started golden age and waiting for next admin level for maximum effieciency.

 

[gia257]

war the colonizers, not the colonies, and reduce them to ~80%? warscore to vassalize (on the peace it must cost 80% to vassalize, greyed out, if they are not cobelligerent they cost more keep that in mind)

next war get all the provinces left, you must read "full annexation" ont he peace terms, not a list of provinces. If full annexation oesnt appear, figure out what province you are missing (nto all of america is colonial nation, and if they started a colony in colonial nation territory but havent finished you will have to wait or burn it, or start a snake to it), upon full annexation all the nations are yours too.

if it is a particularly CN heavy colonizer (eg has all of america) you may need to guarantee them so that the cns dont split off when the boss is weak

also are those vassals still? keep annexing you want to rotate them, oh, uless you want WC not one tag, its fine to keep them if so

 

[Wojtekznewark]

I try to follow your advice about fully - anexeing colonisators, but for example in a war vs portugal I was unable to find all portugal prowinces and took some land in america instead. All I want is achievement, dont mind big amount of vassals. Below is up to date sceen-shot. What do I do to bot have sailors on misions modifer ? I always have got zero sailors because of this raiding.