WATKABAOI mp

[Mats_SX]

It seems that someone has fixed Valkyrienet again All the channels are working, including the EU2 one. There's even a new channel called "Clans" there now. Thumbs up for Paradox.

See you in EU2 channel.

 

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Yea, cheers Paradox.

 

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time flew. as always. tired now. hope you'll do stats.

 

[Therion]

Me and Martin certainly aren't best friends. 3 wars in one session.

 

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i'm just glad that flea is on another dog

 

[martmol]

i still love you tho

 

[Monkii-sama]

I hade one massive investment in land this session. Even built 3 conscription centers.

 

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Italy had a strange session. During the 5 mins I took to get food my trade got destroyed and I ended up losing 50+ MI that I never got back.

 

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im building my 10th CC or close to it ^^

 

[Mats_SX]

Well, this session sure ended Austrian hegemony over Central Europe. When France and Italy could not beat the Ottoman Empire, when these were busy with Austria and Prussia already, they went on an Austria already on her knees, netting an easy win. Or no, they didn't; they feared that they might lose that war, so they brought Spain along as well, effectively turning Austria at war versus nations #1, #2 and #3 at the same time. Also Italy of course.

French propaganda drew parallels to earlier wars of English liberation, but those are of course completely different. That was nations #3, #4, #5 and #last versus nation #1,5.

Well, the diplomatic situation is much changed. Dynamism in Central Europe is gone, as the Western block decided to not war at all, only keeping Austria in check with all their power, while expanding in China. The Ottoman Empire is thus left free and open hands to annex vassal after vassal. This session 33 provinces larger and now with an army of far over 1,000,000. And with the Ottoman neighbours Poland and Russia long ago befriended and bribed into submission, Poland being kept busy by constant and fruitless Prussian wars, the Ottoman Empire is ever flourishing without even slight challenges. Shall we see an end to this? It seems the Western nations are demanding this task to be set upon Austria, once again. Unwilling to take the heavy load that it means to wage war with the Ottoman beast, France and her allies are yet again looking for someone to do their dirty work for them.

Independence has been effectively put down; Austria unable to act freely by the locking of blocks around them, Spain giving it all up for safety in a static alliance, Italy and France long ago binding themselves to eachother and the Prusso-Polish relationship the same as it has been for 400 years. And Russia pacified and directed to expand in China together with the ITA-FRA block.

Will things change? We will see.

Stats are up by the way. Here

 

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Well, this session sure ended Austrian hegemony over Central Europe. When France and Italy could not beat the Ottoman Empire, when these were busy with Austria and Prussia already, they went on an Austria already on her knees, netting an easy win. Or no, they didn't; they feared that they might lose that war, so they brought Spain along as well, effectively turning Austria at war versus nations #1, #2 and #3 at the same time. Also Italy of course.

French propaganda drew parallels to earlier wars of English liberation, but those are of course completely different. That was nations #3, #4, #5 and #last versus nation #1,5.

Well, the diplomatic situation is much changed. Dynamism in Central Europe is gone, as the Western block decided to not war at all, only keeping Austria in check with all their power, while expanding in China. The Ottoman Empire is thus left free and open hands to annex vassal after vassal. This session 33 provinces larger and now with an army of far over 1,000,000. And with the Ottoman neighbours Poland and Russia long ago befriended and bribed into submission, Poland being kept busy by constant and fruitless Prussian wars, the Ottoman Empire is ever flourishing without even slight challenges. Shall we see an end to this? It seems the Western nations are demanding this task to be set upon Austria, once again. Unwilling to take the heavy load that it means to wage war with the Ottoman beast, France and her allies are yet again looking for someone to do their dirty work for them.

Independence has been effectively put down; Austria unable to act freely by the locking of blocks around them, Spain giving it all up for safety in a static alliance, Italy and France long ago binding themselves to eachother and the Prusso-Polish relationship the same as it has been for 400 years. And Russia pacified and directed to expand in China together with the ITA-FRA block.

Will things change? We will see.

Stats are up by the way. Here

The Austrian gang was dirty I agree. Austria had become very very strong and showed aggression toward France, and in doing that toward Italy herself. A chance arose to weaken a new enemy and we took it. Austria lost alot to France and Italy but I do not wish the destruction of Austria, I am only following my allies, hence my Istria was given back.

 

[Therion]

And with the Ottoman neighbours Poland and Russia long ago befriended and bribed into submission

Why do you say that? Have you any evidence? As far as I can tell, Poland has never received any financial aid from Istanbul during this session's wars.

 

[Mats_SX]

Why do you say that? Have you any evidence? As far as I can tell, Poland has never received any financial aid from Istanbul during this session's wars.

"Long ago" was also a key phrase. Poland has been allowed to monopolize Ottoman CoTs, they have been allowed to annex Ormuz, the defensive official alliance between you two, and I am certain (without evidence, agreed) that they have funded you with money at points.

 

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Well, this session sure ended Austrian hegemony over Central Europe. When France and Italy could not beat the Ottoman Empire, when these were busy with Austria and Prussia already, they went on an Austria already on her knees, netting an easy win. Or no, they didn't; they feared that they might lose that war, so they brought Spain along as well, effectively turning Austria at war versus nations #1, #2 and #3 at the same time. Also Italy of course.

French propaganda drew parallels to earlier wars of English liberation, but those are of course completely different. That was nations #3, #4, #5 and #last versus nation #1,5.

Well, the diplomatic situation is much changed. Dynamism in Central Europe is gone, as the Western block decided to not war at all, only keeping Austria in check with all their power, while expanding in China. The Ottoman Empire is thus left free and open hands to annex vassal after vassal. This session 33 provinces larger and now with an army of far over 1,000,000. And with the Ottoman neighbours Poland and Russia long ago befriended and bribed into submission, Poland being kept busy by constant and fruitless Prussian wars, the Ottoman Empire is ever flourishing without even slight challenges. Shall we see an end to this? It seems the Western nations are demanding this task to be set upon Austria, once again. Unwilling to take the heavy load that it means to wage war with the Ottoman beast, France and her allies are yet again looking for someone to do their dirty work for them.

Independence has been effectively put down; Austria unable to act freely by the locking of blocks around them, Spain giving it all up for safety in a static alliance, Italy and France long ago binding themselves to eachother and the Prusso-Polish relationship the same as it has been for 400 years. And Russia pacified and directed to expand in China together with the ITA-FRA block.

Will things change? We will see.

Stats are up by the way. Here

that is some intreasting austrian propaganda
please note that both poland and russia NEVER had to listen to ottoman "command". by contrarry, the sultan has been very open minded towards his allies granting them various practical concesions upon their requests. the sultan might add that both russia and poland have proved to be very balanced as well into their expectations.
the only diplomatic thing that the sultan takes credit for, was by putting an end to the endless polish-russian confict that has weakened both nations previouslly and that without favouring one over another once russia has gained her capital back(and since the alliance exists). russia benefited more indeed, but mostlly becouse the prussian CONSTANT agression towards poland .

the austrian monarchy has so far only done intrigues and false claims towards a NON-EXISTENT ottoman threat. ever since the new administration in istanbul has been changed, the ottomans have never went on a war path except into defending their ally against ever increasing prussian agression. while the ottomans do not like much spanish expansion in central africa, the sultan has to live with that understanding that is for the greater good and progress for both spanish and turk citizens.


also the sultan has been EXTREAMLLY generous to the austrian agression by claiming only 2 provinces that are needed for direct access by land to poland( one reason i could not support poland effectivelly was that i needed to constantlly ship troops by sea )

 

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"Long ago" was also a key phrase. Poland has been allowed to monopolize Ottoman CoTs, they have been allowed to annex Ormuz, the defensive official alliance between you two, and I am certain (without evidence, agreed) that they have funded you with money at points.

well you should not be so certain...the ottomans offered financial asistance to the poles( ONLY when needed to promote judges) that has NOT been the case in the recent history. i never gave ANY support to poland this session other then killing rebels in ormuz, the sultan beeing aware and sensible that the poles need to claim their honour back on their OWN against the prussians.

 

[Monkii-sama]

Can't really say I have gotten much financial support either. We have just decided on some COT's that are free from competion from each other and we have all benefitted from it since we can't have monopolies everywhere. Yes, I have gotten quite a lot of provinces from OE but he had astronomical stabcosts, slow techspeed, general religous unrest and several provinces that he couldn't defend properly. Either you release them as vassals or you make a deal with an allied nation about those provinces. He made a deal. Let me remind you that I had already colonized much of Siberia when Beregic joined the game.

Besides, why does Austria keep insulting the eastern alliance when he just got pasted by the western one?

 

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everything me and italy took was stuff u had taken from us, so.. excluding colonies u had to give up to spain.

and you're right, i am supposed to be stronger, but until i get better at playing wars, im not really in an advantage

 

[Therion]

"Long ago" was also a key phrase. Poland has been allowed to monopolize Ottoman CoTs, they have been allowed to annex Ormuz, the defensive official alliance between you two, and I am certain (without evidence, agreed) that they have funded you with money at points.

How one is "allowed" to monopolize CoTs is beyond me. Turkish COTs are free for all and Polish merchants can monopolize them like everyone else. In fact, they were, at times, dominated by you.

In any case, I cannot not see what is wrong or dishonourable with an alliance that benefits both parties.

I realise the submission comment is a poor attempt to instigate division. Division that will only be of an advantage to Austria and not the parties concerned.

 

[Mats_SX]

also the sultan has been EXTREAMLLY generous to the austrian agression by claiming only 2 provinces that are needed for direct access by land to poland( one reason i could not support poland effectivelly was that i needed to constantlly ship troops by sea )

I never accused the OE of extended aggression. I am well aware that the OE has not dowed any other major nation in decades. That's a fact. But every fact comes with reasons, and they are also important. The OE has had many reasons to not dow. Firstly they had to develop themselves economically by promoting all over. War at that point would not have been nice. Furthermore, they have turned their aggression to minor AI countries unable of resistance. The trade and industry booming and territory increasing, there's no need for human conflict. So, no, the OE hasn't dowed. But why would they? Nobody has ever contested them over anything, except the recent Spanish African expansionism. The Balkans have been peaceful ever since last session. And that war was well justified IMO, so not THAT aggressive (even if it still was a dow, of course).

 

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I never accused the OE of extended aggression. I am well aware that the OE has not dowed any other major nation in decades. That's a fact. But every fact comes with reasons, and they are also important. The OE has had many reasons to not dow. Firstly they had to develop themselves economically by promoting all over. War at that point would not have been nice. Furthermore, they have turned their aggression to minor AI countries unable of resistance. The trade and industry booming and territory increasing, there's no need for human conflict. So, no, the OE hasn't dowed. But why would they? Nobody has ever contested them over anything, except the recent Spanish African expansionism. The Balkans have been peaceful ever since last session. And that war was well justified IMO, so not THAT aggressive (even if it still was a dow, of course).

the austrian are good at pointing other nations advantages but they always foregt to mentione their own . for how LONG austrians have had the upper hand in central europe relying on constant alliance chainging and keeping itaian/spanish and french at each other's neck?
i want to remind you that YOU were the one asking me for NAP's and not the other way around... your points towards my peacefull expansions are NOT justified since YOU are the one that has NEVER took an agressive stance towards me until you were able to form a "gang bang"

you are simplly reasoning that others shall take up arms against me simplly becouse you do not like my expansion.. while it was YOU that has dominated TECHNOLOGY for the last sessions....just look, you the first to reach trade 9 AGAIN...

as about your attempt to create division between me and poland and russia i have to say it is a very poor one....if look at the ledger you will see that ALL the members part of the eastern alliance have gained MOST economical percentage increases also spain has choosen a good path in the end since their are the "winners" in the past sessions with HUGE income increase...

so as far as i CAN see, everyone has made the best choices recentlly that benefit their OWN countries for a change and not austria

while the gang ended up beeing dirty indeed, i must point that while the austrians have lost SOME this session , the blame falls squerlly on the prussian intrigues, and BAD plans between you TWO with regards to international long term perspectives. how one could expect CONSTANT french support ( just a FEW YEARS AFTER THE AUSTRIAN INVADED THEM by TOTAL surprise) is beyond me..... you simplly pushed the envelope probablly by betting on my previous verbal "fights" with the polish, french and italian PLAYERS. if you would have not arrogantlly invaded france, things might have played otherwise; but then again you should consider that even if i would have ceded you alexandria( wich i told you that i will if you gain total victory) you would have ended in making of me a permanent enemy. and not matter how strong your western alliance would remain it would have not lasted forever since i would have dowed you every chance i would have gotten( since alexandria is an integral part of my culture/cores/area). for the french and the italian player this session's backstab has proved a great diplomatic success (if you put yourself in their "shoes").

from a "fun" perspective i wanted to make you my vassal (keep your eastern teritory) but had to change the plan since i needed land access to poland.