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It's extremely pleasing to see Italy become counter-reformed, but I wonder why it did so after the war.
I could not doing it during the war and the fact is I was rushed into war. I had no intention of attacking France but Spain and me had a prior alliance so I had to commit myself. After Spanish treason it is obvious I made the wrong choice.
The fact Russia has a higher income then me is just rediculous. Next session will be key to Italy's survival.
The fact Russia has a higher income then me is just rediculous. Next session will be key to Italy's survival.
good session, i didnt do that bad at war i guess, opinions on how to improve are welcome. The french empire's economy didnt suffer much, i had -15 inflation from events, and managed to expand the colonial empire and trade during the war.
My original war demands were softned, but still i made sure ottomans got some kind of pay back for their huge help(military and economic). Poland, proved to be a worthy ally, to my eyes atleast, once again.
Their help was very much apreciated in the defeat of rebels in france, and for that they have my gratitude.
As for Spain and Italy, that war declaration was very... cruel if i might say. Not for the fact of the dow itself, but for the fact that i though i had managed to build a kind of alliance with both and possibly prevent war, and in the end i get backstabbed by BOTH. But well, we can go back to the original plan, wari, if u want to.
My original war demands were softned, but still i made sure ottomans got some kind of pay back for their huge help(military and economic). Poland, proved to be a worthy ally, to my eyes atleast, once again.
Their help was very much apreciated in the defeat of rebels in france, and for that they have my gratitude.
As for Spain and Italy, that war declaration was very... cruel if i might say. Not for the fact of the dow itself, but for the fact that i though i had managed to build a kind of alliance with both and possibly prevent war, and in the end i get backstabbed by BOTH. But well, we can go back to the original plan, wari, if u want to.
Haha, Wari is playing some cute games here. Making deals with me promising not to make deals with France, forcing me to build up troops last session and then asking me to help in his war and then declare on me afterward.
Smoothing over those relations might be harder then you thought Wari.
Smoothing over those relations might be harder then you thought Wari.
that's what you get for plotting against Spain. I saw a coalition coming my way, i turned it round to you.
Now, France didn't do bad, no, right, but an alliance between Poland, OE and France? Where's the honour in that? No need to pad yourselves on the shoulders for it. Just do the math, there's no way Spain/Italy could have won. The three strongest countries militarily, two of them economic superpowers, against two medium powers. Last time when Four countries attacked France it was a hard fight already, neverminding what anyone had to say about it.
A France /OE/ Poland alliance can simply take on anyone, at any time anywhere. I think it is to big, and i appeal to all other players to coördinate their diplomacy better (me to, yes) in order to find an in-game solution to deal with this travesty. Else OE and France will divide the world among themselves and Russia, England, Spain, Italy, Austria and Brandenburg will have frustrating sessions ahead of them. In fact, i think, England and Russia aren't really capable of taking their faith in their own hands already as it is.
So, France, although you are generous in peace, and noble in deeds, i decline your offer of binding peace-inducing agreements, simply because someone has to do something.
France didn't have to be(come) so strong, it was the cowardice of it's neighbours which permitted it. I 'd rather be an independent little country, then a big, scared lapdog.
Now, France didn't do bad, no, right, but an alliance between Poland, OE and France? Where's the honour in that? No need to pad yourselves on the shoulders for it. Just do the math, there's no way Spain/Italy could have won. The three strongest countries militarily, two of them economic superpowers, against two medium powers. Last time when Four countries attacked France it was a hard fight already, neverminding what anyone had to say about it.
A France /OE/ Poland alliance can simply take on anyone, at any time anywhere. I think it is to big, and i appeal to all other players to coördinate their diplomacy better (me to, yes) in order to find an in-game solution to deal with this travesty. Else OE and France will divide the world among themselves and Russia, England, Spain, Italy, Austria and Brandenburg will have frustrating sessions ahead of them. In fact, i think, England and Russia aren't really capable of taking their faith in their own hands already as it is.
So, France, although you are generous in peace, and noble in deeds, i decline your offer of binding peace-inducing agreements, simply because someone has to do something.
France didn't have to be(come) so strong, it was the cowardice of it's neighbours which permitted it. I 'd rather be an independent little country, then a big, scared lapdog.
if u didnt betray me in the first place, there would have never existed the need for this alliance.
EDIT: it is also unlikely ottomans will stay allied for long, since they will either be subbed or ghosted... anyways if u do not endorse my plans wari, there are others willing to take the chance.
EDIT: it is also unlikely ottomans will stay allied for long, since they will either be subbed or ghosted... anyways if u do not endorse my plans wari, there are others willing to take the chance.
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Haha, there is some defiance left in you yet. Russia and soon England have bigger economic outputs then I do. Russia can't touch OE and Poland but England should be able to do something in the future.
Colonel_General said:
we had a deal we'd create an alliance between us at session start, when you declined me twice, i figured you were about to betray me, so please don't paint me as a traitor, you also didn't stick to our agreement.
My intention was to ally France and DoW Italy. Italy and Spain had tried to negotiate but most certainly had no plans for this. I asked Italy to jon my alliance to see if Italy was going with France, to my surprise they joined, then , i thought, i had the element of surprise. Three or four rehosts later the element was gone.
No one should call me a traitor, France gave me a signal that it would not stick to it's part of the deal, Spain had to act quickly to safeguard it's interests. Impulsive - yes, a traitor - no.
Wari Bana said:
i told u twice, that it was because of the dutch, poles were about to dow me to force convert them. Also, i didnt see any alliance thing(probably it shows up as a note in the small boxes, which i dont notice often, just ask poland and ottomans=P). I didnt want to drag u to the war, untill they were converted.
EDIT: yes it was at session start, if dutch were converted trough edit. If not poles had already volunteered to force conver them. Hence the delay. Also sorry if i ignored any text messages, but its hard to read anything at such high speed.
as i said, you are a clean player (so far) but you didn't give any explanation for you declining my offer until after Italy had joined my alliance.
It was your refusal which led me to believe you were going at it with Spain, together with Italy and with silent support from Austria.
It was your refusal which led me to believe you were going at it with Spain, together with Italy and with silent support from Austria.
Wari Bana said:
as i said i did not see any propusal because i just didnt look at the screen tiny box with it. And what do u do? U hurry yourself at allying your enemy and dow me, costing me thousands of ducats due to lack of patience.
i never considered Italy an enemy, more of a renegade brother. But i saw it coming , France/Italy and i turned it round as best as i could.
The Italian incursion in Spain's South African sphere of influence was a terrible miscalculation from it's part. Spain's friendship towards Italy was always well-meant, and we bravely fought shoulder to shoulder many times against the OE and against France. I was outraged after saving the day for Italy again (on their own they suffered a stabhitting defeat against France) that it would practically invade my backyard Brandenburg style while we were both still recovering from what had just happened.
Maybe the moment seemed right for Italy, but it was uncalled for. Now i rushed to take those lands i would have taken anyway and both Spain ans Italy are in a worse position.
I mean, isn't it clear? I leave alone entire area's of the world for anyone to find riches, but no, everyone wants to be a neighbour to my pretty goldmines.
The Italian incursion in Spain's South African sphere of influence was a terrible miscalculation from it's part. Spain's friendship towards Italy was always well-meant, and we bravely fought shoulder to shoulder many times against the OE and against France. I was outraged after saving the day for Italy again (on their own they suffered a stabhitting defeat against France) that it would practically invade my backyard Brandenburg style while we were both still recovering from what had just happened.
Maybe the moment seemed right for Italy, but it was uncalled for. Now i rushed to take those lands i would have taken anyway and both Spain ans Italy are in a worse position.
I mean, isn't it clear? I leave alone entire area's of the world for anyone to find riches, but no, everyone wants to be a neighbour to my pretty goldmines.
Haha, France is playing us both. Last session he was supposed to join my alliance and help me fight Spain but he kept telling me to wait, seems he was not trying to commit to either of our causes and just wanted to see us fight.
Well, I have been devoted to trade and colonisation from day 1. It's not that surprising that I have been able to catch up, at least to some extent. Though I still am a bit upset about the fact that finland wasn't conquered in the early years.R3lic said:
Monkii-sama said:
that's even in single player games too hard... before lt 5, i mean