WATK African Beta

[cool-toxic]

I think I know how to fix it.
Your own fix was good but you forgot one thing you pointed out earlier.
You forgot to make it unknown to the Golden Horde aswell. As you said the countries in Europe just have to control the Golden Horde capital to know the way to Russia.
So maybe I should do something to it.. maybe split the horde and make the eastern Kazak Khanate. (This is actually historical but the two hordes were named white and blue horde.)

 

[unmerged(58579)]

I just had a look at the nogai 1337 start - genoa is fairly often annexing them and they are much easier victims from a polish point of view - takin sakai at such an early date while the golden horde is still strong is not something the AI is capable of - but nogai is weak and not protected by the horde as they are just vassals not allies - AND they know the position of the 5 provinces too!!!!....oh and your right about the golden horde they shouldnt know about these provinces - rebels like Kazan, Astrakhan and Crimea would then know the locations too - but Nogai has to be fixed too or its pointless

 

[cool-toxic]

Yeah Nogai shouldn't know the same as Golden Horde.

 

[nightmorphis]

I think I know how to fix it.
Your own fix was good but you forgot one thing you pointed out earlier.
You forgot to make it unknown to the Golden Horde aswell. As you said the countries in Europe just have to control the Golden Horde capital to know the way to Russia.
So maybe I should do something to it.. maybe split the horde and make the eastern Kazak Khanate. (This is actually historical but the two hordes were named white and blue horde.)

then...why controlling a capital can't i know about their provinces known?

 

[unmerged(58579)]

then...why controlling a capital can't i know about their provinces known?

if you take a capital you do get their "maps" - like the rudder thing in naval battles......nogai knows to much it messes up the game

 

[nightmorphis]

well... i conquered an african capital, don't remember the country (a-something if i remember well, pagan, 'round ghana&nigeria), but to find some of their provinces i had to discover'em with my troops

 

[cool-toxic]

Pagan countries doesn't give you maps that was fixed in an earlier patch.
Akan States maybe?.

Btw, I'm making the Luxembourg events now.... Really heavy stuff.. Luxembourg-Bohemia-Morava-Brandenburg-Bavaria all mixed up. And then when good ol' Sigismund comes then Hungary and Croatia comes into it aswell...

 

[unmerged(58579)]

didnt know that thing with pagan countries and maps - so taking lithuania early wont give me any knowledge - good to know....

I was wondering - castile really goes after diplo-annexin aragon early (and portugal) when france manages to come out of the wars good - but if castile does that early then some cores are missing - right? maybe the cores on aragon and mallorca etc should be part of the "we claim the name of spain" (espana - Hispania)

 

[unmerged(69044)]

I've been playing my Norway game, and it was great. I had 3 random conquistadores that I used to colonize most of the Americas, together with England, Spain and Brazil. It's 1677 now and I have expanded into Indonesia and a little bit into Africa, India and Madagascar. Colonizing is pretty easy with high land/naval so I don't need conquistadores/explorers, and I got to the point where ducats don't matter anymore. But lately I'm having a lot of trouble with crashes.

It started around 1600 I think, but the crashes are becoming much more frequent. When I load there is a big chance it crashes within a few months, probably because the AI gets to work on reload. I could generally avoid it by trying a few times, and when I got past the first few months it would generally be pretty stable. But now I got to the point where a crash on october 4 1677 is inevitable. I can't seem to get past that date, and it's probably impossible to figure out what causes this because the history.txt doesn't seem to register the last moments of the crash (just a black screen and back to desktop).

 

[unmerged(58579)]

well i had some problems with my germany game in around 1600 - every time russia went to war the game would crash......if they didnt start or get involved in a war everything was fine - (tilly) - really odd...

 

[nightmorphis]

@blaatschaap
you could use history part of the savegame to try to figure out what causes CTD.
usually CTD are caused by:
-modifications in leaders/monarchs/events
-too much events in a little frame of time
-creation of new countries

@cool
good to know i can't have maps with a pagan country yes... probably akan states,btw, they were big

and... as i say before i had a little problem of speed 'round 1610/20 but never ctd.
maybe the same cause for all of us?

 

[cool-toxic]

Well maybe I could fix the problem if anybody would send me a savegame that keeps crashing.

Simon the events you're talking about got commands like these:

		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 435 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 436 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 438 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 439 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 440 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 443 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 444 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 445 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 817 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 917 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 921 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1948 }

This adds cores on the rest of Spain.

 

[unmerged(69044)]

Well maybe I could fix the problem if anybody would send me a savegame that keeps crashing.

Good plan

I made a rar with 2 savegames, it's 780kB. How shall I send it to you?

73b starts in 1676, sometimes crashes before october 1677 but I never made it past that.
77b start october 4 1677, it will crash in the next few days without events showing up in the message screen or the history.txt.

I've been checking history.txt, after most crashes, but I wasn't able to figure out what it was. I checked if there were conversions ending or something like that, and one game I noticed crashes shortly after Spain DoWed Benin, so I went back and got Benin in my alliance and Spain didn't DoW them anymore, but then it crashed anyway. I can't get past october 1677 in any way.

 

[nightmorphis]

well... my games don't ctd and (around 1675) also speed is going well
btw... try typing columbus, maybe there's a new nation that you're not able to see that causes the crash

 

[cool-toxic]

Just send to my email.
Or upload with www.savefile.com

Btw, I'm soon done with those events that I spoke of before and also fixed alot of other things, so I'm gonna play test tomorrow.

 

[unmerged(58579)]

well thanx for the provincenumbers Cool-Toxic
I know about basic eventmaking (from civ2 and the eventcommands.txt) but this saves me the work of lookin for the right numbers..
I was thinkin about adding those cores to the event anyway - as a private version if not a part of the mod - i am just currently trying to make up my mind if to add the cores to sardinia, sicily and napoli too....its the question if adding those too wouldnt be ignoring the impact of the early annex of aragon since those lands got a part of aragon through later dynastic relations......i would love to see the cores on the later aragonese lands but then again the spanish player would get to powerfull and i would ignore my thought of staying true to plausable? actions and reactions in the game.

oh and also lookin forward to seeing the events that would break up the house of luxembourg - their relative power has quite an impact after the reformation in the german area - Schlesien isnt a problem, they break apart sooner or later but the austrians and friends are good partners for luxembourg...

okay im blabbering...c ya

 

[cool-toxic]

No need to add the cores to any events they have always been there.

 

[unmerged(58579)]

ahhh I see...well I was just fearing the worst here (currently playing Spain/Castile you see)

you know with my kind of luck and all - born pessimist hehehe

weeeell then ill just have a little chitchat with Aragon so i can get rid of their warmongering king - they keep going after armanac and the like going north while i would like to concentrate on south - have already annexed portugal and granada around 1450!? - gotta have them into the fold before the civil war and the cruel bastardo of a king shows up....

 

[cool-toxic]

Heh good luck with it. (Maybe you should go after Achaea and Athens?)

 

[unmerged(69044)]

cool-toxic, I sent the saves to your hotmail.

The 77b is just 2 days from crashing.