Was WW1 meaningfully more attritional than WW2?

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cpreston5

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I think it's reasonable to say that in popular consciousness, the two World Wars are contrasted, with the first generally being seen as an attritional grind leading to the eventual exhaustion of the Central Powers, and the second generally being seen as a war of movement in which the Germans initially outfoxed the Allies, but were eventually bested at their own game.

I've been thinking about this recently, and starting to wonder if this does a disservice to the history - firstly, by underplaying successful offensives in WW1 like Mackensen's operations in the Balkans, or the Hundred Days. Second, it ignores the massive element of attrition in winning WW2 - some of the most famous parts of the war in Western memory, like the Battle of the Atlantic, or the Battle of Britain, were in essence extremely attritional. There was no winning stroke in these battles - they were basically governed by statistical considerations. Was the disruption to Allied shipping worth the brutal loss in U-Boats? Which side could replace aircraft more quickly? Likewise with the Allied strategic bombing campaigns.

Even, when it comes to land conflict, it seems that the very concept of a "battle" has allowed a degree of cherry-picking. We think of Overlord, Stalingrad, Case Yellow - operations which achieved stunning gains of territory and decisive blows to enemy fighting strength. But the definition of a battle is basically an arbitrarily defined period of intensified fighting, often plucked out of relentless fighting of a lower intensity, most of which achieved few territorial gains. On the Eastern Front, the majority of the front was often static, and it took prepared offensives to create breakthroughs. Even some major efforts, like Mars, failed to make any real impact in terms of territory. Italy was hardly a war of movement, either.

It seems to me that both conflicts were ultimately decided by economic and logistical staying power. Both sides in both wars showed great operational competence as well as committing enormous blunders, and were also happy to stomach huge losses if they calculated it to be strategically profitable. Germany was eventually exhausted in both wars - the difference being that in 1918 Germany wisely threw-in the towel when the Allies started landing some big punches and they knew the tide was turned inevitably against them. In 1944-45 the leadership refused to admit defeat and forced the Allies to essentially pummel them to death, when the result was already well decided.

Is it right to tar WW1 with the dirty word of attrition, if we aren't going to acknowledge it's foundational importance or inevitability in any modern total war?
 

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Well, it’s mainly the Western Front for WWI which gets the “attritional” moniker, and it’s pretty accurate, given that said front only really moved at the beginning and end of the war. Also in favour of attritional is how the wars ended. WWII ended with total military defeat and occupation while WWI ended with Germany being so worn down (especially by blockade, although also through losing its allies) that it surrendered before losing any of its home territory. Essentially all of the Western Allies had lower casualties and deaths in WWII than in WWI. The commitment of men/material to the Battle of Britain or side theatres like Africa paled in comparison to what was poured into an active Western Front.

The Eastern Front in WWII saw massive advances/retreats in territory (sure based on planned offensives, but that is pretty much all major offensives in the modern age). Even greater territory was won then lost than in WWI and massive formations were encircled and destroyed. Other fronts of WWII saw similar massive gains/retreats (France, Pacific, etc). Italy was one of these, going from being Germany’s most important continental ally to completely collapsing, switching sides, and the Axis losing half their country, including Rome, in under a year.

Yes balances of production and manpower are important in any modern war, but WWII was much less about wearing the enemy down and much more about actually defeating them militarily/inflicting casualties compared to WWI.

Edit:fixed mixing up WWI and WWII
 
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Essentially all of the Western Allies had lower casualties and deaths in WWI than in WWII.

I’m not sure what do you mean by using expression essentially, but for example of the Allies, Britain and France had higher casualties in combat deaths in the WWI than in the WWII.
 
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I’m not sure what do you mean by using expression essentially, but for example of the Allies, Britain and France had higher casualties in combat deaths in the WWI than in the WWII.

You are very right and that is what I meant to say. Edited and fixed, thanks (now makes much more sense in broader context of my post arguing that WWI was more attritional).
 
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