That's not a reason for the fail on Moscow. If 600,000 Soviet soldiers in Kiev could turn on the flank or re-deploy to Moscow then it is much harder for the Germans than history!
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That's not a reason for the fail on Moscow. If 600,000 Soviet soldiers in Kiev could turn on the flank or re-deploy to Moscow then it is much harder for the Germans than history!
But not the complete nuts raving lunatic. The guy was a noname corporal from a foreign country when he joined the Nazi Party... he did took it over, killed/other way destroyed all of their internal rivals and through diplomatic/military means conquered all of Western Europe.
Those 600.000 soldiers are pushed by AGS, based on the performance of the 41 Red Army, I do not think that they were in the shape to disengage from AGS and reform to attack AGC... indeed most of them just failed to escape from the encirclement, which is a much lesser feat than threatening the flanks of the AGC.
yes, he acccomplished a lot. that doesn't change the fact that he was a megalomanical psychopath.
plenty of absolute monsters have impressive resumes.
what he did was stupid. openly and plainly stupid. when he's fighting a war with the UK, he invades the USSR. while he's being beaten by the USSR and is stalemated with the UK, he declares war on the USA.
so... he decided to pick a fight with the three most powerful countries in the world, in succession, and at the same time. i would say that this was a stupid, and irrational decision. many, many, many of his decisions were stupid and irrational. he was a madman
Declearing war against the USSR perfectly made sense... they tried to scratch a draw out of a losing match (they were going to lose war against the UK in the long run)
The alternative of declaring war to the US was to abandon the Battle of Atlantic, which was a losing move (note declaring war to the US was also a losing move, but the rational thing to do was declaring war to save face)
If you really look for a stupid move, than Poland. After that they have just bad options.
Option A: Declare war against the United States. Sink tons of their ships along the Atlantic coast. American troops invade Vichy France a year later. After arriving in Tunisia, they are ready to invade Europe.
Option B: Do not declare war against the U.S. More supplies reach Britain and Russia. American troops invade Vichy France a year later. After arriving in Tunisia, they are ready to invade Europe.
Option B: Do not declare war against the U.S. More supplies reach Britain and Russia. American troops invade Vichy France a year later. After arriving in Tunisia, they are ready to invade Europe.
Two things can be true: Adolph Hitler has a peculiar genius, and he is a megalomaniacal psychopath. A stupid person cannot bring about the events Hitler did, and no sane person would do what Hitler did. Hitler has a dream, and that dream is the world's nightmare.
A recent survey widely quoted in the press this past year shows the percentage of CEO level executives who are psychopaths is equivalent to the percentage of psychopaths in any given prison. Hitler is the poster child for this.
Hitler's genius shows during his rise to power shows an ability to think creatively, to change with shifting circumstances, to manipulate the system by cheating in every way imaginable until he holds absolute power. He is ruthless in his personal and public life, and murder is just another tool in his box.
Hitler's salient characteristic is a demonic charisma, an ability to hold his audience and those around him spellbound, to demand utter obedience from his subordinates. He is possessed by an obsessive desire to rule, and his mannerisms are sharpened and honed for maximum theatrical and psychological effect. He has the Devil's own luck, dancing between assassination attempts by sheer chance, listening to a voice in his head telling him to get up and go over there to avoid danger, constantly changing his own schedule at the last minute to the consternation of his security forces but it keeps him alive time after time when many, many people want him dead.
Hitler's great weakness is a progression of diseases treated in great secrecy by Theodore Morrel; probably venereal, almost certainly Parkinson's Disease, which over time creates a rigidity of thought. He is treated with a cocktail of drugs the average addict would kill for, and to keep him on his feet he is given a steady diet of methamphetamine. This spirals him down a decision making process that becomes less and less flexible over time until it is so rigid he is just famously screaming incoherent demands down in the Bunker and ordering non-existant armies to counterattack immediately.
The most frightening part of Hitler is the number of fools who look at that massive pile of dead bodies even today and have great admiration for Adolph as a man willing to make hard decisions today for a better world tomorrow. Looking at the body count at the end of the war; Yak has a point, none of it makes any sense, all of it was stupid by the standards of a normal mind. It is very difficult to honesty appraise this period of history if you fail to account for the demonic genius of Adolph Hitler; he is the straw that stirs the drink, and the dregs at the bottom of his cocktail are bitter beyond compare.
A recent survey widely quoted in the press this past year shows the percentage of CEO level executives who are psychopaths is equivalent to the percentage of psychopaths in any given prison. Hitler is the poster child for this.
Hitler's genius shows during his rise to power shows an ability to think creatively, to change with shifting circumstances, to manipulate the system by cheating in every way imaginable until he holds absolute power. He is ruthless in his personal and public life, and murder is just another tool in his box.
Hitler's salient characteristic is a demonic charisma, an ability to hold his audience and those around him spellbound, to demand utter obedience from his subordinates. He is possessed by an obsessive desire to rule, and his mannerisms are sharpened and honed for maximum theatrical and psychological effect. He has the Devil's own luck, dancing between assassination attempts by sheer chance, listening to a voice in his head telling him to get up and go over there to avoid danger, constantly changing his own schedule at the last minute to the consternation of his security forces but it keeps him alive time after time when many, many people want him dead.
Hitler's great weakness is a progression of diseases treated in great secrecy by Theodore Morrel; probably venereal, almost certainly Parkinson's Disease, which over time creates a rigidity of thought. He is treated with a cocktail of drugs the average addict would kill for, and to keep him on his feet he is given a steady diet of methamphetamine. This spirals him down a decision making process that becomes less and less flexible over time until it is so rigid he is just famously screaming incoherent demands down in the Bunker and ordering non-existant armies to counterattack immediately.
The most frightening part of Hitler is the number of fools who look at that massive pile of dead bodies even today and have great admiration for Adolph as a man willing to make hard decisions today for a better world tomorrow. Looking at the body count at the end of the war; Yak has a point, none of it makes any sense, all of it was stupid by the standards of a normal mind. It is very difficult to honesty appraise this period of history if you fail to account for the demonic genius of Adolph Hitler; he is the straw that stirs the drink, and the dregs at the bottom of his cocktail are bitter beyond compare.
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No. It's a fact. Hitler was unequivocally the worst national leader in all of world history. Whoever else is on your Mt. Rushmore for "failures as national leaders" is a distant second, third, and fourth.
As Jerry West, once, and without irony, said that he is the mountain of success in basketball when someone asked him this question, Hitler can be seen as the mountain of success for completely ruining his country.
Der Fuhrer is a mountain of success, from the Nazi point of view. He is still their Messiah, still beloved around the world by select individuals in every culture.
The Jews have a few other choice words to describe him; and I'm on their side on this one.
Germany and this forum will not let his image be shown or The Forbidden Symbol to be waived; which tells you all you really need to know. But Germany was never Hitler's country as France was never Napoleon's. Adolph is the prophet of a higher power, not constrained to the borders of just one land.
If he had just ruined a country, he wouldn't be this popular.
I went to Paris and I saw Napoleon's tomb. And around it, you see Napoleon's accomplishments: The metric system, the establishment of equal law, internal improvements... And yes, all those things had a lasting, positive legacy for the country. He even made Jews equal citizens.
Despite all of Napoleon's many faults, France was a better country afterwards.... Heck the whole of Europe was better afterwards. Alas for his enormities and his senseless desire for more war.
You can't say anything close to the same for der Fuhrer
No?
Talk to a Transhumanist. Ask them the value of the immense amount of medical data culled from Nazi laboratories. They are more than willing to say what they received in information was well worth the price of human suffering. Tell you what, go to a doctor and tell him to only treat you using medicine untouched by Nazi experiments; he can't.
Talk to NASA. Ask them the value of Werner von Braun to the American Missle Program. A few slaves may have been lost, but look at the power of these engines that can take us to the moon.
Talk to your friends at CIA. Gehlen wasn't instrumental to their duplicity in the early days, Nazi's pre-positioned in South America didn't help put Communism in a mass communal grave?
Engineering? Nazi tanks are possibly the most discussed relics in history. The Loretta Fliedermaus is legendary for its performance. The 'Bismark' is like the Dallas Cowboys, almost invinceable regardless of the circumstances regardless of actual performance.
Flight? Ibid.
Secret Antarctic Bases run by Vril? Still waiting on that one.
Nazi philosophy is very simple: your pain, their gain. And Hitler's admirers take great pride in their otherworldly technologies.
Are they scum? Yes. But they can only see their glory, not the cost of human pain and suffering they cause. It is just collateral damage to them.
Really? So the grain situation in western Europe wasn't in a state of collapse in 1940 then?
And the coal production for western Europe was sufficient to ensure maximum efficiency? France only produced a couple hundred aircraft because Germany didn't need them? And Germany was able to fully replenish the armaments expended in France (note that it robbed steel from the civilian sector to acheive that sustained rate of offensive operations in france).
And Germany wasn't suffering any of the other political economic problems that haunted the Nazi administration in the pre-barbarossa era?
What has happened to these forums of late? Hitler was certainly a megolamanic psychopath, but he didn't bring Germany from the sorry state of 1933 to being the foremost military power in Europe, in less than a decade through luck and perseverance. Neither was the Nazi War Machine smashed by its own folly and over-expansion.
Yeah, I can juxtapose words in that first part and figure out you actually meant to say he DID bring Germany from low to high. But that last bit, I've got no clue.
No, I said he didn't bring Nazi Germany from high to low through luck and perseverance.
Apologies, I will try to use shorter and more concise sentences - I sometimes forget that not all of our posters are native speakers. And I am typing on a phone after much travelling.
I also said that he wasn't smashed through his own folly and over-expansion. As in, many people try to explain the Nazi downfall through its own actions without considering the effect of external influencers.
I am just about as native a speaker as they come. But I'll grant you that composing complex thoughts on a phone is . . . difficult . . . to say the least.
It wasn't a complex thought ... But it was a complex sentence. I always think of communications as a two way process - the writer must make himself understood as much as the reader should understand.
But the bottom line is that the Nazi war machine was not built on luck and hard work (but by planning and strategic thought); and it was not brought down by lack of strategic thought and over extending itself (but by planning and strategic thought by its enemies).