I couldn't find anything about them as neither an independent language or as a culture pre-1700. I am very confused why they were added at all.
Was Bosnian even a separate culture?
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I have had the same question too. I suppose it is to represent how the group became distinct in religion and cultural attitude (think of the crkva bosanska/црква босанска). Even so, people in Bosna i Hercegovina during this era were still Christian, and still went as Croats or Serbs in Bosna. It would have to be thus a reference to the increasingly independent religious direction that Bosna, even without Islam but still within the Christian world, took before independence was snatched by the Turks.
Agreed I see no reason why Croatia should be nerfed in the earlier Starts with a culture that didn’t even exist at the time. Constantine Purple Born talks about all the Slavic tribes/Realms in the 900s Balkans in his De Administrando Imperio and Bosnians aren’t one of them. Nothing against Bosnians of course.
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Bosnian should only emerge if the area is ruled by a muslim, or if that's not possible if it's ruled by someone with turkish culture.
But medieval Bosnia (vassal under Hungary) was Catholic though. Tvrtko was Catholic, and many of his successors were too.
Short answer: Yes, it seems so.
Long answer: I'd suggest Bosnia A Short History by Noel Malcom
Long answer: I'd suggest Bosnia A Short History by Noel Malcom
I thought Bosnian identity only emerged under Turkish rule, perhaps I'm wrong the Balkans are not something I've read into in depth.
In the medieval times, people of Bosnia followed the Bosnian Church, that was called heretical by both Rome and Constantinople (in-game represented as Bogomilism). There also was Banate of Bosnia (de jure vassal of Hungary) and indepedent Kingdom of Bosnia later in this period.
The most historically accurate representation of culture in this region would be having three great cultural blobs (West Slavic, East Slavic and South Slavic), that split into different cultures the way Norse splits into Swedish/Danish/Norwegian, but I doubt it will work in-game. I think Bosnian culture should stay (I like having more cultures to choose from).
The most historically accurate representation of culture in this region would be having three great cultural blobs (West Slavic, East Slavic and South Slavic), that split into different cultures the way Norse splits into Swedish/Danish/Norwegian, but I doubt it will work in-game. I think Bosnian culture should stay (I like having more cultures to choose from).
As the Banate Of Bosnia in the mid 1100s seems to be the first “Bosnian realm” I say have it appear in the 1100s as a emerging culture like English under foreign rulers in the duchy of Bosnia. But for it to be present early as 769 is a little too crazy to me.
As a Bosnian myself, I agree with most the sentiment here. Killerbee is heading in the right direction, I would only making it a emerging culture, say if the duchy of bosnia is controlled/populated by a South Slavic cultural group and is Muslim or a Christian heresy example bogolism to represent how they took an independent religious path from most of europe as South Slavs.