That happens automatically if you wait for the supplies to catch up (and they can actually do so in the given circumstances).
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That happens automatically if you wait for the supplies to catch up (and they can actually do so in the given circumstances).
What else are you running?
You have got to be kidding about HoI3 not running smoothly. Ihave the same CPU with 8G RAM and my HoI3 runs very smooth at all speeds, and I did capture most of Africa, all of Europe and India with no hiccups in responses. You might check out your video card as mine is a (actually was, lol) pretty high end one (water cooled Nvidia GTX 295) so that must account for the differences in performance. I also do not have any other programs runnning in the background either.
So SF will not correct your problems as it sure looks like you have something else going on instaed.
I currently actually care little about the new features. I hope for massively better performance. HOI3 is currently simply not playable in a fun way on my I7 920 with 12GB RAM.
Capturing the SU and allies is barely possible with the time consumed IRL to simulate this. Capturing the World is just impossible.
I really hope for optimized code AND threading. And if it still doesn't work out to be fast, let me disable some features or run a massively simplified simulation of them. Honestly, if you cant for instance get supplies to run very efficiently or in threads, I wouldn't care if you lumped together the infrastructure of 20 odd adjacent provinces and merely checked for connectivity to simplify the whole thing by around 20 times. Just let me play in Semper Fi...
You have got to be kidding about HoI3 not running smoothly. Ihave the same CPU with 8G RAM and my HoI3 runs very smooth at all speeds, and I did capture most of Africa, all of Europe and India with no hiccups in responses. You might check out your video card as mine is a (actually was, lol) pretty high end one (water cooled Nvidia GTX 295) so that must account for the differences in performance. I also do not have any other programs runnning in the background either.
So SF will not correct your problems as it sure looks like you have something else going on instaed.
don't put words in my mouth "mate". re-read my post. i never said he is less loyal or experienced than i am because he joined at a later date. frankly, i don't care if he's so loyal that he tucks johan and king to bed every night. i said what i said because i found it ironic that someone who just barely registered on these boards would speak of loyalty, so i replied in kind.
You never heard of being friendly ;P(BTW my post was sarcastic anyway... although I don´t want to make my crack dealer upset
And just for records mr bash on me
I own Hoi2+ all Expansions HoI 3+SI and Victoria aswell as some of the other games they´re publishing (Mount&Blade ^^ Diplomacy)
And it´s unfair to discriminate me, because of my join date
fyi, im actually glad to see that paradox is attracting newer crowd. i wasn't bashing on you and especially not because of your join date. i made that comment because i took offense on what you said, so i pointed out the irony.
the problem with these boards is that it's hard to know whether someone is joking, angry, or whatever. try to use one of those smiley face thingies next time you're being sarcastic so your post doesn't sound so serious.
Capitalisation is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse", and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse". Plus, it makes reading your texts far easier!try to use one of those smiley face thingies next time you're being sarcastic so your post doesn't sound so serious.
Capitalisation is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse", and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse". Plus, it makes reading your texts far easier!
funny. i hope you don't mind if i use that in the future. still, i refuse to capitalize unless im using it professionally or anywhere more appropriate. im actually not too happy with my blackberry automatically capitalizing words on my email/texts and i painfully go back just to un-capitalize (if that's a word) it. just a quirk and my style.
After reading the supply guide and playing through a game where supply issues came up, everything is working as designed.
Barring transport planes and upgrading infrastructure, you don't control how supplies are sent. However, you do control the demand. I think one of the key differences in HOI3 and the previous versions of the game is that the supply and combat sytem greatly discourages huge stacks of divisions.
The key thing to remember regarding the logistical situation is that all terrories affect supplies in two ways---capacity and loss. Loss is the supply tax for going throught the territory, this adds up. In some instances it might be costing you 4 or 5 supply units to get that 1 unit of supply to the front line troops.
What doesn't work so well is the use of supplies in allied territory. This involves the teleportation of supplies to the allies supply center. Not an elegant mechanic.
Also it is hard to predict when supplies will go out. At minimum speed this is easier to track and adjust to, as the supply reserve bar goes from green to red. At faster game speeds this may happen so quickly you won't notice.
Overall--I like the challenge the supply system gives. I think it is one of the
most interesting features of the game. It forces you to not only look at what you need to take on the enemy, but take into consideration the limits on how many troops the infrastructure you'll be using can support.
Barring transport planes and upgrading infrastructure, you don't control how supplies are sent. However, you do control the demand. I think one of the key differences in HOI3 and the previous versions of the game is that the supply and combat sytem greatly discourages huge stacks of divisions.
The key thing to remember regarding the logistical situation is that all terrories affect supplies in two ways---capacity and loss. Loss is the supply tax for going throught the territory, this adds up. In some instances it might be costing you 4 or 5 supply units to get that 1 unit of supply to the front line troops.
What doesn't work so well is the use of supplies in allied territory. This involves the teleportation of supplies to the allies supply center. Not an elegant mechanic.
Also it is hard to predict when supplies will go out. At minimum speed this is easier to track and adjust to, as the supply reserve bar goes from green to red. At faster game speeds this may happen so quickly you won't notice.
Overall--I like the challenge the supply system gives. I think it is one of the
most interesting features of the game. It forces you to not only look at what you need to take on the enemy, but take into consideration the limits on how many troops the infrastructure you'll be using can support.
The biggest missing thing from Semper Fi for me is the complete lack of anything graphics related and by that I mean map, icons or sprites along the lines for the HOI2 BEbro or SKIF stuff. Its the only thing that would make me even consider buying the game.
Well there are great mods around. I am not sure I would use any additional vanilla graphics anyway as the graphic mods are really good.
The game is umplayable on an i7? Are you sure that's what you have in there? I have an I5, with a rather midrange Geforce 250, and the game is extremely playable, across the board. There's a bit of scrolling issues if I set very high speeds in the late parts of the war, but that's not really that big of a deal, as they go away with the game playing on 3 or under.
I was worried my comments would generate into the usual HOI argument:
Maybe not. Maybe I do. Either way, I liked the balance struck in Hoi2 between a 'model which speaks to realism' and 'a game whose mechanics don't give me grief and regret playing the game'.
I am a software designer. Today there is the notion of Domain Driven Design. The tenets of this approach to developing software is that you dispense with talking about technology and techniques and focus on the facts of the HUMAN problem you are looking to solve. In business this might mean an online retail "problem domain" or a hospital administrtion "problem domain". That means you sit down when designing and talk about those logical concepts and processes pertinent to your problem domain ONLY.
Anytime notions such as technology, or abstractions which are not directly relivent to the problem domain creep in, you've got a 'smell'. It might mean you are off track, or it might mean you've discovered a new way of thinking about the problem domain (usually not though).
Why bring this up?
There are two problem domains at play in HOI3.
1) It is a game. People play it to be ENTERTAINING. It's also safe to say in the case of the HOI franchise, these people like details and micro management.
2) It is war-game simulation. Plug in inputs, press play, and the model produces results of a war-game. Aspects of the simulation include, technology, politics, supply, unit construction, etc etc.
The way I see it, with my software consultant hat on, you've primarily got three classes of users in these forums, whose chief differences are which part of the problem domain they focus on and how rabid they are about trying to make their point.
a) The rabid simulation first crowd. The more detailed (class c would say arcane) a model you throw at them, the more they love it. The connect the virtual lines between the feature of the simulation and aspects of history and get a rush out of experiencing it virtually. Also, given HOI's history and unique position among WWII games, these forums have a very high percentage of rabid simulators (which may not best serve PI's business interest if they let them guide product development).
b) The rabid "Risk" player. These folks focus on the first problem domain first "It's a game, it must be fun". If there is an aspect of the simulation which does not work inuitively, requires too many clicks, etc, it detracts from their fun, and thus drives them off to greener pastures (often a console or Sid Meier game)(which are fantastic imo).
c) The pramattic crowd. These folks value both parts of the problem domain and are willing to learn some arcane details. They understand that there is a big different between "Risk" and "HOI" and will put the time in to get up to speed... IF the "It's a game and should be fun" part of the problem domain follows through.
The original point of my post is that I am starting to believe PI has fallen away from catering to the folks category C. It seems to me that they have gone whole hog intot he simulation first camp, and are starting to realize that they've taken it too far. Rather than roll things back and fix it, they are then compensating by catering to the rabid "Risk'ers" with arcade mode fixes.
I am in group C of users. This is why I play the game:
1) For historical events popping up (not RANDOM!) and letting me know odds and ends of history as the game progresses (and where they happened). Prior to playing HOI, i had not idea about the "Marco Polo Bridge Incident". HOI2 did this great. HOI3 is terrible and wierd. (an F)
2) Trying to then mess with the simulated history from the above point and see what happens if, for example, the united states can be made to join the axis. HOI2 had some options for this, but the simulation prohibited a lot of the more interesting scenarios (which was fine). HOI3 has a lot more promise, but does not deliver a very sensible model... thus it's not much fun.
3) I'm an armchair general. I like building an army, driving my enemy before me and revelling in the lamentations of my enemies virtual women and children. HOI 2 delivered. HOI3... not so bad.
4) I'm an armchair despot. Social engineering and underhanded dealings are great. In HOI2 these was limited and seemed like an afterthough. HOI3 built on it, and IMO, this was one of the biggest advances (an A but not an A+). (barring the espionage which doesn't seem to make much sense in HOI3).
If I were a producer at PI, I'd give serious thought to having development shift focus from the simulation'y side of things and issue a memo stating "HOI3 is a game...people play it to have fun".
Don't slap your intelligent customers in the face with arcade mode fixes. Give them 'simulation mode' fixes which still have mechanics to learn and don't disable, whole cloth, aspects of the game which offer rewards of their own (interdiction, production management, etc).
-Joel
"You don't know the art of war and history."
Maybe not. Maybe I do. Either way, I liked the balance struck in Hoi2 between a 'model which speaks to realism' and 'a game whose mechanics don't give me grief and regret playing the game'.
I am a software designer. Today there is the notion of Domain Driven Design. The tenets of this approach to developing software is that you dispense with talking about technology and techniques and focus on the facts of the HUMAN problem you are looking to solve. In business this might mean an online retail "problem domain" or a hospital administrtion "problem domain". That means you sit down when designing and talk about those logical concepts and processes pertinent to your problem domain ONLY.
Anytime notions such as technology, or abstractions which are not directly relivent to the problem domain creep in, you've got a 'smell'. It might mean you are off track, or it might mean you've discovered a new way of thinking about the problem domain (usually not though).
Why bring this up?
There are two problem domains at play in HOI3.
1) It is a game. People play it to be ENTERTAINING. It's also safe to say in the case of the HOI franchise, these people like details and micro management.
2) It is war-game simulation. Plug in inputs, press play, and the model produces results of a war-game. Aspects of the simulation include, technology, politics, supply, unit construction, etc etc.
The way I see it, with my software consultant hat on, you've primarily got three classes of users in these forums, whose chief differences are which part of the problem domain they focus on and how rabid they are about trying to make their point.
a) The rabid simulation first crowd. The more detailed (class c would say arcane) a model you throw at them, the more they love it. The connect the virtual lines between the feature of the simulation and aspects of history and get a rush out of experiencing it virtually. Also, given HOI's history and unique position among WWII games, these forums have a very high percentage of rabid simulators (which may not best serve PI's business interest if they let them guide product development).
b) The rabid "Risk" player. These folks focus on the first problem domain first "It's a game, it must be fun". If there is an aspect of the simulation which does not work inuitively, requires too many clicks, etc, it detracts from their fun, and thus drives them off to greener pastures (often a console or Sid Meier game)(which are fantastic imo).
c) The pramattic crowd. These folks value both parts of the problem domain and are willing to learn some arcane details. They understand that there is a big different between "Risk" and "HOI" and will put the time in to get up to speed... IF the "It's a game and should be fun" part of the problem domain follows through.
The original point of my post is that I am starting to believe PI has fallen away from catering to the folks category C. It seems to me that they have gone whole hog intot he simulation first camp, and are starting to realize that they've taken it too far. Rather than roll things back and fix it, they are then compensating by catering to the rabid "Risk'ers" with arcade mode fixes.
I am in group C of users. This is why I play the game:
1) For historical events popping up (not RANDOM!) and letting me know odds and ends of history as the game progresses (and where they happened). Prior to playing HOI, i had not idea about the "Marco Polo Bridge Incident". HOI2 did this great. HOI3 is terrible and wierd. (an F)
2) Trying to then mess with the simulated history from the above point and see what happens if, for example, the united states can be made to join the axis. HOI2 had some options for this, but the simulation prohibited a lot of the more interesting scenarios (which was fine). HOI3 has a lot more promise, but does not deliver a very sensible model... thus it's not much fun.
3) I'm an armchair general. I like building an army, driving my enemy before me and revelling in the lamentations of my enemies virtual women and children. HOI 2 delivered. HOI3... not so bad.
4) I'm an armchair despot. Social engineering and underhanded dealings are great. In HOI2 these was limited and seemed like an afterthough. HOI3 built on it, and IMO, this was one of the biggest advances (an A but not an A+). (barring the espionage which doesn't seem to make much sense in HOI3).
If I were a producer at PI, I'd give serious thought to having development shift focus from the simulation'y side of things and issue a memo stating "HOI3 is a game...people play it to have fun".
Don't slap your intelligent customers in the face with arcade mode fixes. Give them 'simulation mode' fixes which still have mechanics to learn and don't disable, whole cloth, aspects of the game which offer rewards of their own (interdiction, production management, etc).
-Joel
Ooooooh! That looks veeeeery interesting indeed. I have bookmarked and will be keeping an eye out for this one.
Thanks Fella.
Something is wrong friend. I play in a 6400 @ 2.13, and have much fun with it.
Whats wrong with having to transport all of your goods over low-infra disputed territory when you could ship 20 times as much by sea to within 1 province of your army front?
Now THAT'S the sort of thng they should've fixed in SF
Whats wrong with having to transport all of your goods over low-infra disputed territory when you could ship 20 times as much by sea to within 1 province of your army front?
Now THAT'S the sort of thng they should've fixed in SF
You are joking because they did fix that.... right?
I'm wary but I'm diving in anyway because I look at the screens and I cannot say no.
I'm extra wary because of "whatever happened in Asia" in the hands-off AAR. Otherwise it seems the AI is competent and capable, and I have not seen anything too game breaking.
And I really want to play.
@Some of the people who responded:
Good the game runs well enough for you. But yes, I am absolutely sure I have an i7 920. I also have a GeForce GTX260, 896MB RAM on that card, stock cooling / settings. The only sort-of low-end component on this machine is a 250GB IDE HDD where the OS is located - HOI3 is on another drive, though.
No reinstallation, OS driver update, workaround from the forums, or patch by Paradox has helped with the slowdown so far. Only saving / loading helps some, but doing that way more frequently than every 10 minutes (real life time, of course) just to retain some ingame speed (something like an in game day ending in 20 seconds average or so at full speed) is not fun.
As for it being slow because of my setup specifically - actually, a few dozen other games that were released in the last 4 years play just fine and at high FPS/in game speed on this machine under the same circumstances.
What's more, HOI3 is not behaving better on my brother's machine during his game - his is entirely different, though slightly slower (a Q6600 instead of an i7 920, Radeon 3470, only 4GB RAM, Vista instead of Win7, no slow HDD at all...).
Well. Whatever. HOI3 is the problem for me. Either there will be new fixes / workarounds for HOI3 and I'll get Semper Fi, or not. I did have some fun even without being able to conquer more of the world, but the only motivation to continue playing and to buy more addons will be if I can progress past capturing one-two handful of nations - which will also be required for those weekend not-quite-so serious LAN games with my brother, like US-SU ally world takeover and such.
Good the game runs well enough for you. But yes, I am absolutely sure I have an i7 920. I also have a GeForce GTX260, 896MB RAM on that card, stock cooling / settings. The only sort-of low-end component on this machine is a 250GB IDE HDD where the OS is located - HOI3 is on another drive, though.
No reinstallation, OS driver update, workaround from the forums, or patch by Paradox has helped with the slowdown so far. Only saving / loading helps some, but doing that way more frequently than every 10 minutes (real life time, of course) just to retain some ingame speed (something like an in game day ending in 20 seconds average or so at full speed) is not fun.
As for it being slow because of my setup specifically - actually, a few dozen other games that were released in the last 4 years play just fine and at high FPS/in game speed on this machine under the same circumstances.
What's more, HOI3 is not behaving better on my brother's machine during his game - his is entirely different, though slightly slower (a Q6600 instead of an i7 920, Radeon 3470, only 4GB RAM, Vista instead of Win7, no slow HDD at all...).
Well. Whatever. HOI3 is the problem for me. Either there will be new fixes / workarounds for HOI3 and I'll get Semper Fi, or not. I did have some fun even without being able to conquer more of the world, but the only motivation to continue playing and to buy more addons will be if I can progress past capturing one-two handful of nations - which will also be required for those weekend not-quite-so serious LAN games with my brother, like US-SU ally world takeover and such.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but most likely the only thing that will help HoI3 (and possible other games too) is to do a clean install of your OS. If you have done any of the following, then a clean install should be considered manditory.
a) Changed Motherboard/CPU
b) Upgraded from an older OS like XP
c) Changed your boot hard drive (this is not one that most people realize that could cause issues)
Other than that, I do not know what to say as we both have systems that are almost the same, yet my HoI3 runs great while yours does not. I hope my suggestions above may be of help. I would probably do a clean install anyway and see if that did not help as doing that has ALWAYS fixed weird and hard to track down problems for me.
I've gotten it down to a science now, lol. Only takes four hour from wipping the drive to having everything running again and all the software installed. The biggest time sink is the downloading of OS patches and drivers.