Wars start too soon in Doomsday

[daemonbone]

exists = POL

So would liberating Poland stop the Winter War? Or is the liberated Poland a different country code in the file? (I will have to check when I get home)

In my experiance with DD I have never had the Winter War event fire. Every time I have gone with "No deals with the Bolshiviks" and liberated Poland to reduce partisans. One time only the Soviets DoW'ed two of the Baltic States, but they have never touched Finland.

 

[unmerged(35036)]

I dont remember how high it was, but I "just" conquered spain and saudi arabia, couped Turkey. So nothing fancy...considering that in HOI2 I was able to annex Poland before the allies DOWed me.

I don't understand the whole post, you are complaining about countries declaring war on you before time? You conquered both spains? and then Saudi Arabia? and then you just pretend countries to sit there watching you eat the world?

In HOI2 it might have been easier to do that i admit, but that doesn't mean it was better than its atm, if you play HOI+CORE sometime, you will see france declaring war on for less things than what you have done in that game.

My first game with GER in DD was weird also, Poland gave me Danzing, so there were no war, but still JAP DOWED US and UK somewhere in the 42.

Since by that time i had a uber alliance of most countries including JAP, WWII was a real hugh mess , but i was more than prepared to unleash the panzer power over the globe.

Anyway all i can say, is, as long as you do ahistorical things in your game, you shouldn't complain if you receive ahistorical treatment from other countries as well.

 

[unmerged(46366)]

People ought to remember that the Allies declared war on Germany a couple of days after Germany attacked their FIRST victim... in our case Poland, but it might as easily have been Czecheslovakia, or Luxembourgh... or Spain.

EGADS! The Allies have not allowed our invasion of Saudi Arabia to stand!

I am just waiting for someone to complain about Germany getting backstabbed by France in 1937 while in the process of funnelling divisions into a conquered Mexico in preparation for attacking a quiescent US.

If you do wildly ahistorical things, weird things will (and should) happen. That goes all the way back to 1.0 vanilla.

BY THE WAY - you guys DO know you get all kinds of free core provinces and time to build factories and armed forces with impunity by merely waiting till 1 September 1939 to unleash the Wehrmacht. Don't you?

 

[Manoa]

One of the best things about DD

One of the worst things about HOI2 was that you could "know" you would not be attacked. One of the best things about DD is that you have to be ready at all times. Being able to run a country without the fear of a surprise DOW was totally unrealistic and far less interesting. DD may have plenty of bugs but it is still a vast improvement if only because of the much more unpredictable AI.

 

[unmerged(55451)]

@Brasidas: I fought spain in 1936 and 1937. The DOW was 1939..........

 

[Olaus Petrus]

If I play without conquering other countries, war usually start at historical date. But IMO it's only good thing that war can start in other times too, because repeating history over and over again can be bit boring.

 

[Brasidas]

@Brasidas: I fought spain in 1936 and 1937. The DOW was 1939..........

And I see nothing wrong with that. If you become belligerant early on, you can increase others' willingness to declare war upon you later. Eg. Anschluss, Sudeten, Czech annexation, Danzig, DoW compared to Spanish conquest, Anschlus, Sudeten, DoW.

 

[Alexander Seil]

All this comes down to is that if the war fails to start on August 30th, 1939, the players rush to the forums to post a dreadful warning to other players about a terrible, game-breaking bug that should have never eluded the beta-testers. Hence "wars start to soon" and "Germany never starts WW2".

 

[unmerged(45180)]

I don't understand the whole post, you are complaining about countries declaring war on you before time? You conquered both spains? and then Saudi Arabia? and then you just pretend countries to sit there watching you eat the world?

It is not about just countries DOWing me. I'd say that Japan DOWing USA in spring 39 is "a bit" ahistorical, and so is their 400ish belligerence.

Frankly, I don't see a reason for the USA to join the allies; they have their separate wars against Japan.

 

[unmerged(56092)]

Loads of funny things happening in DD compared to a HOI2 game.
- USA keeps smearing me (I didn't think they could do that unless they had spies in your neighbourhood).

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I played a game as Germany yesterday, and the USA and UK were able to successfully perform intelligence operations even though I had cleaned out all spys from my country. (I even saved the game and went in to see if there are hidden spys and they had zero spys assigned to me in the .eug file. I wonder if perhaps the intelligence ai events are scripted.

Anyway, the one thing I can say about all these bugs is that it has been very entertaining. The Keystone Kops take on Charlie Chaplin in WWII!!! LMHO I'll almost miss some of the oddities when Paradox does release patches. Come now - Bolivia DOWing Germany! How are they going to get to me! LOL "Come on men - we'll batter these bloody Brazilians and swim through the Med, leap over Yugoslavia and conquer the Reich before they ever know what hits 'em!"

Sorry to get off track here - but it's a laugh a minute with DD. I think I'm gonna go check out some AAR's and see if there's any good ones.

 

[Alexander Seil]

Actually, Brazil, Mexico and some other American countries did formally declare war on Germany and, in case of Brazil, even provided a substantial quantity of troops (check out the 1944 scenario, there is a Brazilian division in Italy).

 

[Khrister]

It's been a kind of hectic spring and summer of 1940 in my UK GC.

Notable events prior to this: Czechoslovakia joined the Axis instead of giving up Sudetenland, Poland got partitioned, Allies declared war.

May 2nd: Axis declares war on Benelux.
May 5, 1940 : Soviet Union declared war upon us!
May 7, 1940 : Bulgaria declared war upon Belgium.
May 8, 1940 : Italy entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania.
May 9, 1940 : Germany annexed Luxemburg.
May 9, 1940 : Greece declared war upon New Zealand.
May 9, 1940 : Greece entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Italy.
May 10, 1940 : Yugoslavia declared war upon New Zealand.
May 10, 1940 : Yugoslavia entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy and Greece.
May 14, 1940 : Portugal entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Greece and Yugoslavia.
May 14, 1940 : Republican Spain joined our Military Alliance with (Allies).
May 15, 1940 : Yugoslavia left the Military Alliance she had with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Greece and Portugal.
May 21, 1940 : Bulgaria entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Greece and Portugal.
May 26, 1940 : Yugoslavia declared war upon Soviet Union.
June 3, 1940 : Soviet Union declared war upon Estonia (and Latvia)
June 17, 1940 : Soviet Union declared war upon Lithuania.

It's now June 20th, and France is on the verge of collapse. Good thing for Germany that Yugoslavia waited until they'd left the Axis to declare war on the Sovietunion....

I was going to post and ask if this kind of wars were common in DD, but since I found this...

 

[Gormadoc]

It's been a kind of hectic spring and summer of 1940 in my UK GC.

Notable events prior to this: Czechoslovakia joined the Axis instead of giving up Sudetenland, Poland got partitioned, Allies declared war.

May 2nd: Axis declares war on Benelux.
May 5, 1940 : Soviet Union declared war upon us!
May 7, 1940 : Bulgaria declared war upon Belgium.
May 8, 1940 : Italy entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania.
May 9, 1940 : Germany annexed Luxemburg.
May 9, 1940 : Greece declared war upon New Zealand.
May 9, 1940 : Greece entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Italy.
May 10, 1940 : Yugoslavia declared war upon New Zealand.
May 10, 1940 : Yugoslavia entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy and Greece.
May 14, 1940 : Portugal entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Greece and Yugoslavia.
May 14, 1940 : Republican Spain joined our Military Alliance with (Allies).
May 15, 1940 : Yugoslavia left the Military Alliance she had with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Greece and Portugal.
May 21, 1940 : Bulgaria entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Greece and Portugal.
May 26, 1940 : Yugoslavia declared war upon Soviet Union.
June 3, 1940 : Soviet Union declared war upon Estonia (and Latvia)
June 17, 1940 : Soviet Union declared war upon Lithuania.

It's now June 20th, and France is on the verge of collapse. Good thing for Germany that Yugoslavia waited until they'd left the Axis to declare war on the Sovietunion....

I was going to post and ask if this kind of wars were common in DD, but since I found this...

My gues is that paradox really havent done a intensive testing of the minors reaction to the intelligence thingy = Result some odd behaviour of the minors like bolivia Dow'ing Germany when Germany is not at war with the allies (If i understand it correctly) etc.

This is not a gamebreaker imo but something modders/paradox will fix along the way when they get feedback from the thousend of players inhabiting these forums. Atleast that i was i hope will happend

Regards Gormadoc

 

[Mork]

@Brasidas: I fought spain in 1936 and 1937. The DOW was 1939..........

I don't know what your belligerence was in '37, but I would guess that France's intervention wasn't that high. It requires a certain intervention for nations to DOW. Also, beligerence rises with more than just DOWs, and there are other factors in the game, such as relative army strength and relations.

 

[unmerged(56092)]

Actually, Brazil, Mexico and some other American countries did formally declare war on Germany and, in case of Brazil, even provided a substantial quantity of troops (check out the 1944 scenario, there is a Brazilian division in Italy).

My gues is that paradox really havent done a intensive testing of the minors reaction to the intelligence thingy = Result some odd behaviour of the minors like bolivia Dow'ing Germany when Germany is not at war with the allies (If i understand it correctly) etc.

This is not a gamebreaker imo but something modders/paradox will fix along the way when they get feedback from the thousend of players inhabiting these forums. Atleast that i was i hope will happend

Regards Gormadoc

They DOW'd me on their own. I wasn't at war with anyone. Historically, the majority of South and Central American countries either DOW'd or canceled relations with the AXIS powers in the following weeks and months after the US declared war. I beleive it had more to do with treaties and diplomatic relations than anything else. Some countries sent units, others offered material and monetary support.

But there's nothing more entertaining than a rogue Bolivia out there declaring war upon me a full 4 months befor I even considered invading Poland! :rofl: If I had been able to get to them without DOWing someone else, I may have taken them out then and there since I took no hits for beligerence.