Ward rivalry event

[Castimirr]

Rarely pick the option even though I do educate my kids myself as I tend to be in the monastic order if I'm Christian which gives good education events. But really wanted to say the event that most annoys me is that one designed to give a vassal a favour on you "Help!" and needing to run for shelter then you pretty much always end up either dead or a drunkard

That event has never really made much sense to me, at least when it fired. I really hate it.

 

[junassa]

That event has never really made much sense to me, at least when it fired. I really hate it.

I don't really like that event in general but it's helpful if:

1. You want to die to let your awesome heir take over.

2. You're worried you might get the Death/chess event; with game master + drunkard you have a 100% chance of winning.

 

[Rags17]

I pretty much play the same. I try to stay away from "kill the entire dynasty and inherit their titles, ez pz" bs.

But I didn't know you can turn rival into friend, how?

I must admit it is hard, but it is doable.

Assuming that your son starts off with a -100 opinion of you, you have to start by doing things that will automatically up his opinion. This means gifts, honorary titles, a Council position and maybe even a spare artifact and some Swaying. Once he gets above 0 opinion of you (hard I know but sill doable with say a County grant) you can invite him to a Feast and then once it hits +25 or so to Carousing. The Carousing private feast has an event that has a small chance to turn one random attendee into your best friend, if you only invite one person then they will automatically be it. Friend negates Rival AFAIK so +25 suddenly becomes +225 (no more -100 Rival, now with +100 Friend).

Hell, even if you can't get your son on side with the gifts and County then a single Duchy tittle will make him more than happy with you for quite some time, more than enough time for you to die of old age and for him to get Ambitious again . . .

 

[MateuszS]

This event can have hilarious outcome if your ambitious rival, who is also your child, dies before you and you get event about digging up his skull as trophy

 

[Castios]

I must admit it is hard, but it is doable.

Assuming that your son starts off with a -100 opinion of you, you have to start by doing things that will automatically up his opinion. This means gifts, honorary titles, a Council position and maybe even a spare artifact and some Swaying. Once he gets above 0 opinion of you (hard I know but sill doable with say a County grant) you can invite him to a Feast and then once it hits +25 or so to Carousing. The Carousing private feast has an event that has a small chance to turn one random attendee into your best friend, if you only invite one person then they will automatically be it. Friend negates Rival AFAIK so +25 suddenly becomes +225 (no more -100 Rival, now with +100 Friend).

Hell, even if you can't get your son on side with the gifts and County then a single Duchy tittle will make him more than happy with you for quite some time, more than enough time for you to die of old age and for him to get Ambitious again . . .

All cool except one thing, you cannot sway rivals.

 

[jonjowett]

Also worth noting: Winning a duel is one of the few non-tyrannical ways to kill your children. If you know a child is going to be problematic (eg. your secondborn son is the genius) then you can choose to make him your rival (via the ambitious education) so you can deal with him later. In the duel, if you choose not to kill them outright (to avoid kinslayer), the severe injury/maiming from the duel will usually do the trick. If they somehow recover from the first duel, you can always go again!

 

[Castios]

Also worth noting: Winning a duel is one of the few non-tyrannical ways to kill your children. If you know a child is going to be problematic (eg. your secondborn son is the genius) then you can choose to make him your rival (via the ambitious education) so you can deal with him later. In the duel, if you choose not to kill them outright (to avoid kinslayer), the severe injury/maiming from the duel will usually do the trick. If they somehow recover from the first duel, you can always go again!

Giving ambition to heirs you don't really want seems like good way to get rid of them in general. Even if you can't duel them, they will probably plot against you allowing you to imprison them.

 

[Messy]

who cares if your son is your rival ? What is he going to do - murder you ? Bring it on, if he does then you should presumably take over as him, now you're playing as a character with +3 in every attribute plus

plus kinslayer trait.

 

[jonjowett]

Giving ambition to heirs you don't really want seems like good way to get rid of them in general. Even if you can't duel them, they will probably plot against you allowing you to imprison them.

The trouble is - if you oubliette someone who you really really want to die, then they're guaranteed to live for another few decades.

 

[Castios]

The trouble is - if you oubliette someone who you really really want to die, then they're guaranteed to live for another few decades.

Haha yeah. I remember waiting like 30 years for someone to finally die in obuliette. But you can still use that to force the to join the monastery, or castrate them.

 

[Rags17]

The trouble is - if you oubliette someone who you really really want to die, then they're guaranteed to live for another few decades.

Torture first, then throw in the oubliette = dead within the week. The stacking health penalties are lethal.