War of the Roses

[User4035]

I keep restarting as England. Game after game I never get war of the roses. I just get an heir.
But when I play as a different nation, war of the roses happens to England quite often. Whats going on?

 

[lordelenath]

There's nothing you can really do, the MTTH for "Lack of an Heir" (which then leads to the actual war) is 120 months and there're no modifiers to increase that. The only thing you can do is avoid royal marriages to reduce your chance to get an heir.

 

[User4035]

Ya I looked up the mean time for it as well. 10 years isn't so bad but I'm just finding it hard that with so many restarts I always get an heir. While when I start as another nation AI England 3/4 of the time gets war of the roses.

 

[Royalty27]

I tend to get that event a lot with England.

 

[yls3431]

Make your idiot king a genaral asap and keep him fighting all wars and avoid royal marriages.

 

[drewbc32]

You "want" War of the Roses? Why? Horrible revolts and unrest everywhere that leave you with no manpower... Do you want the Waldensian heretics event too? I wish I could give you my bad luck of getting it every time I play England and me take your good luck lol.

 

[User4035]

You "want" War of the Roses? Why? Horrible revolts and unrest everywhere that leave you with no manpower... Do you want the Waldensian heretics event too? I wish I could give you my bad luck of getting it every time I play England and me take your good luck lol.

Its either war of the roses or King Henry lives for 50 years and puts England about 3 levels behind tech.

 

[Illianor123]

I haven't seen it happen to AI England in at least my last twelve games.
Nor had it happen in my 2 English games

 

[lolciokuba]

I also enjoy this event very much it just feels like the game is gimped without it for early england. One suggestion I have is do not enter any RM's as that increases a chance of an heir.

 

[Davetheterror]

early War of the roses is so important as england, I dont know when paradox will realize that a major nation starting with this kind of king doesnt work at all even if its historically accurate, I mean why would they follow history with this while people are always advocating this is not an historical game(i dont know how many times ive been flamed over this)


can I say bigot?

 

[yerm]

early War of the roses is so important as england, I dont know when paradox will realize that a major nation starting with this kind of king doesnt work at all even if its historically accurate, I mean why would they follow history with this while people are always advocating this is not an historical game(i dont know how many times ive been flamed over this)


can I say bigot?

You can say bigot all you want, you're still wrong. England is incredibly powerful. In SP they're currently considered one of (if not THE) strongest starting nations. With how much money you pull in now in English channel node, you may as well consider him to have +1-2 in every stat just from the advisor quality you can afford versus almost everyone else.

 

[mtgdjs]

I keep restarting as England. Game after game I never get war of the roses. I just get an heir.
But when I play as a different nation, war of the roses happens to England quite often. Whats going on?

If Henry dies and your heir doesn't have an heir, you can still get War of the Roses. So just wait, especially if you get a regency. WotR is possible until 1500.

 

[Davetheterror]

You can say bigot all you want, you're still wrong. England is incredibly powerful. In SP they're currently considered one of (if not THE) strongest starting nations. With how much money you pull in now in English channel node, you may as well consider him to have +1-2 in every stat just from the advisor quality you can afford versus almost everyone else.

they are in humans hand, especially if you had the war of the roses, that can double your power very early, but with AI england its the opposite, they dont know how to handle it

 

[Denjell]

If i whitepeace the HYW and grab picarde from burgundy with ally austria i can usually kick out those lvl 2-3 advisors after a few years anyway. Imo i would rather keep henry for a good 30 years rather than fire the event.

 

[lordelenath]

early War of the roses is so important as england, I dont know when paradox will realize that a major nation starting with this kind of king doesnt work at all even if its historically accurate, I mean why would they follow history with this while people are always advocating this is not an historical game(i dont know how many times ive been flamed over this)


can I say bigot?

Castile?

 

[yerm]

they are in humans hand, especially if you had the war of the roses, that can double your power very early, but with AI england its the opposite, they dont know how to handle it

England seems to do fine in my experience. They can get knocked off the mainland, lose wales, get broken by heretics, fight a pretender war, and they will still come back and own Scotland & Ireland by 1600. Since 1.8 I have seen England lose once, and it was when I started in their trade node and made it happen. What videos and a twitch play I watched all showed England succeed when left alone. Is my experience abnormal? Is AI England not recovering and prospering after a time for others?

Making AI England more viable vs human France seems untenable. You want them to what, have a stronger monarch, accept an unreasonable peace ASAP to avoid WE and lollards, and then... still end up in war if they touch your guaranteed Scotland? Still get revolt risk if they move too fast in Ireland or crush burgundy? What?