War of The Roses

[bleakie]

you need positive relations to make alliance and royal marriage possible, this has been mentioned in the change log thread of Johan a few hours before release. That's why only slightly negative relations give a -1000 opinion modifier.

 

[nasunz]

As human player, I love challenging England.
But AI England also suffer from high difficulty.
Smarter or Easier England play for AI is needed in my opinion.

It can happen before 1500 if you lack an heir. If I remember correctly, high stability should make it less likely. It's quite the pain to fight through but it adds a lot to the challenge of playing England

 

[Hexcaliber]

My first game as England was ridiculous. I got a Low Fertility event, a Lollard Heresy Event, the War of the Roses Event followed by a Civil War event all in the space of a year, it was around 1446-1447. Then a majority of my provinces declared against me. And as BobbyDylan posted above it was 15k stack after stack. I eventually ran out of manpower and had to restart.

This is happening all too frequently playing as England, at this point wish I had pirated the pos as it would already be removed from my hard drive.

 

[Crymson]

The War of the Roses is broken. Even after the enemy king is six feet under and his army obliterated, provinces will, for no apparent reason, continue declaring for him. This makes absolutely no sense---declaring in favor of a dead king with a non-existent army, and thus facing off against the victorious king and his very extant army, would be something nobody would do---and continues for decades, resulting in revolts everywhere. Apparently the developers forgot to script an end to the war. Whatever the case, the war, the revolts, and the war's associated events---which cause even MORE revolts---make playing as England nigh-impossible.

 

[aitaituo]

The war ends when you have positive stability and an heir. And probably the original pretender dead, I suppose. The War of the Roses started because Henry VI didn't have an heir, so it makes sense that the various potential claimants aren't going to give up until the succession can no longer be disputed.

 

[BobbyDylan]

The war ends when you have positive stability and an heir. And probably the original pretender dead, I suppose. The War of the Roses started because Henry VI didn't have an heir, so it makes sense that the various potential claimants aren't going to give up until the succession can no longer be disputed.

It does drag on for a bit though. I got about 8 claimants to pop up, even after I lost the war. My current king's name is Anthony Talbot. Which sounds like he's a Tax accountant.

 

[n0z3k1ll3r]

This makes absolutely no sense---declaring in favor of a dead king with a non-existent army, and thus facing off against the victorious king and his very extant army, would be something nobody would do

The Jacobites did basically this for quite a long time.

 

[Captain Gars]

The War of the Roses is broken. Even after the enemy king is six feet under and his army obliterated, provinces will, for no apparent reason, continue declaring for him. This makes absolutely no sense---declaring in favor of a dead king with a non-existent army, and thus facing off against the victorious king and his very extant army, would be something nobody would do---and continues for decades, resulting in revolts everywhere. Apparently the developers forgot to script an end to the war. Whatever the case, the war, the revolts, and the war's associated events---which cause even MORE revolts---make playing as England nigh-impossible.

War of the Roses is a war between two houses, so why would it die just because their first leader got killed?

And it is not impossible to win. It might become if you let it drag on, which usually happens if you have gotten bogged down in the Hundred Years War with France and thus have little manpower left. Low stability and prestige combined with high revolt risk from other factors will of course also make if more difficult. My advice is to get out of the Hundred Years War as fast as possible, as you have little chance of winning it against France and then focus on consolidating and building up England until it is strong enough to take on the Irish minors and Scotland. Then once you have built up Great Britain, you can turn back to the continent and beat France.

 

[Raen]

The War of the Roses is not broken and it does end. You have to jump on the first stacks, then keep rebellion low (use harsh treatment) and stability high. After a few years you'll get a message that the WotR has ended.