War Justification

[JerkyJerry]

Why do I have to warn, inform, make known to my targets my future intentions by having to click the justification button?

Is this historically correct? Did every nation that took offensive actions against every other nation complete months long war justifications? Is this a PDX thing or a real life thing?

In a war game why am I broadcasting to my enemies my next move?
The other thing is by the time the war is the war, what would be the purpose of war justifications? Are they not just worthless at that point? In 1943 for example did it really matter?

 

[Meglok]

In my opinion it is a clunky system that poorly represents the preparation for war and is just a created mechanic to prevent players launching surprise attacks in mp. Instead of having pre-position supplies etc etc there is some faux diplomatic maneuvering period. Communist and fascist governments could care less about diplomatic niceties, if needed they just faked a reason and attacked. You can't even point to the time needed to prepare troops as that is covered with the planning bonus.

 

[Deinhardt]

In my opinion it is a clunky system that poorly represents the preparation for war and is just a created mechanic to prevent players launching surprise attacks in mp. Instead of having pre-position supplies etc etc there is some faux diplomatic maneuvering period. Communist and fascist governments could care less about diplomatic niceties, if needed they just faked a reason and attacked. You can't even point to the time needed to prepare troops as that is covered with the planning bonus.

Didnt Hitler especially make a big deal to "justify" his Claims on other countries bevor the war? Speeches to no end. And that not just to the other countries. Arguing and doing Propaganda is essential if you want war Support. The Nazis spend endless resources to sell the idea that their wars are justified to their own Population.

So this "wait" time isnt really a prepare period to get your Plans drawn out, but to Rally your People behind you. And with the changes to national Unity next Expansion, this actually may have a bigger effect. If you do to many justifications your People eventually get really tired of your warmongering.

 

[SaydaNeen]

It should really be just the event windows that pop up that the "population rallies behind Hitler over Danzig" or something along that line.
Thats a huge hint that Germany is eyeing up Danzig and should be pretty obvious, but its not an icon or an alert that pops up at the top of your screen. I agree with you.
It'll punish you if your not paying attention to the events in your country.

 

[JerkyJerry]

If you do to many justifications your People eventually get really tired of your warmongering.

Do they?
They may have in real life but in game, do they?

 

[Deinhardt]

Do they?
They may have in real life but in game, do they?

I waas refferring to the National UNtiy/War Support changes in the Cornflakes Update/New DLC. It's confirmed that having War Ecconomy while beeing at peace hurts your Party Support. Same could be Happening if you fabricate to many justifications for war after another.

 

[Alex_brunius]

Didnt Hitler especially make a big deal to "justify" his Claims on other countries bevor the war? Speeches to no end. And that not just to the other countries. Arguing and doing Propaganda is essential if you want war Support. The Nazis spend endless resources to sell the idea that their wars are justified to their own Population.

So this "wait" time isnt really a prepare period to get your Plans drawn out, but to Rally your People behind you. And with the changes to national Unity next Expansion, this actually may have a bigger effect. If you do to many justifications your People eventually get really tired of your warmongering.

Would be pretty cool if you could declare "unjustified" war but it cost you war support to do so.

Or if it was connected to the actions of the country you are justifying against more ( It's easy for Germany to justify vs a Soviet that have annexed the Baltics + Finland + Romania and generated alot of tension, or to justify against a USA which are sending alot of aid to your enemies ).

 

[JerkyJerry]

I thought that Japan's attack on Pearl was their declaration of war. I thought the formal declaration came after the attack but I could be wrong.

 

[aono]

I thought that Japan's attack on Pearl was their declaration of war. I thought the formal declaration came after the attack but I could be wrong.

Yes, and actually it was a fail. They wanted to give a note with declaration just before the attack (where "just before" counts with hours at best), but failed to coordinate military leaders and diplomats in Washington.

 

[GPounda]

I thought that Japan's attack on Pearl was their declaration of war. I thought the formal declaration came after the attack but I could be wrong.

Actually Japan DID make an official deceleration of war that was supposed to come skante hours before the attack. Unfortunately, in preparation for war Japan stripped their US embassy of all the decryption specialists. Of the remaining embassy staff it took too long to decrypt the Ambassadors declaration and the attack happened prior to the "proper," way to start a war.

 

[JerkyJerry]

Were there other examples of a country attacking before declaring or was Japan the only one?

 

[aono]

Were there other examples of a country attacking before declaring or was Japan the only one?

Nazi Germany attacked USSR in 1941 is open for discussion - declaration existed, but maybe (it was official position of Soviet government; german position was that declaration was delivered hour or two before) it was delivered after actual military actions started.
There was not any formal declaration of war by Soviet to Finland in 1939.
There was not any formal declaration of war by Japan to China in 1937.

 

[JerkyJerry]

So then it would be in the realm of possibilities that many more countries could have used sneak attacks, unprovoked attacks, land grabs, intimidation to acquire what was not theirs etc.? Therefore in the Ahistorical world, being allowed to bypass the justification process/time, would not necessarily be out of the realm of historical either? Other than in number of countries that is?

 

[aono]

So then it would be in the realm of possibilities that many more countries could have used sneak attacks, unprovoked attacks, land grabs, intimidation to acquire what was not theirs etc.?

Well... Unprovoked attacks - yes, you can say so. Land grabs - sure. But you can't make modern (even 1936-type modern) war without making it kinda obvious.
China was quite aware that Japan going to war. Soviet made crystal clear to Finland that if they refuse demands it would be war. Even preparation to German attack on USSR was quite noticable (and it's quite a question why it started the way it started).
And actually Japan and Soviets created a justifications about their wars and tried to reason their demands. They wasn't approved by world audience, but they tried.