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Drew,

More revisionist history.

The rules of our game stated that one needed 85% WS to force a peace. Even with St. Petersburg and a couple other provinces left in your hands, you were down to around 30%. You also went south instead of east, a critical mistake, and I'd regrouped and rebuilt my armies so that even with your fleet intact you never could've regained a foothold.

And you never would've gained one to begin with if you hadn't DOWed after we'd already called the session and were simply cleaning up the map. My regular standing armies had been dispersed to the south and I didn't both reestablishing the Kremlin Guard. But even unprepared and faced with Wellington, you were still unable to defeat Russia, and would've been quite apart from the ambush on your fleet (which can be well compared to the surprise attack after we decided to end).

It was a nice landing and a good move until you moved south where tax base, manpower and VPs were all lower. And you retreat to the coast was hardly "clever." If you'd remained in the north you wouldn't have nearly lost Wellington, and even keeping him alive was a moral victory rather than a practical one. With my armies rebuilt and reorganized, you wouldn't have been able to come near winning that war, and extending yourself in that way left you vulnerable in Sweden's home waters.

All-in-all, a regular war you've blown up into some kind of titanic achievement and example of what MCT can do. It was Wellington who got the job done, and even he, with mass cannon, was unable to make it stick.
 

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Well, HG thanks for the insightful view as I was a bit distracted that evening with a bad internet connection and a girlfriend. I played with one eye ;) and my England was weak... I was up to 550 income I think at best, that is because when you start close to 1800 and the nation has been left too long it will tend to lack the CCs, lack the Income and Ships neccessary to be an unstoppable killing machine that it is capable of being in the right hands. True I was bit weak I just wanted to show the World that Russia could be bested at least on her own terrain and that Wellington would get involved. I didn't however save France nor did I properly arrange Cochrane to face the Swedes and Spanish with what little reserves and ships I did have. I ended up getting pounced for it losing 1/3rd my fleet. I had only 400 or so Warships!!! I didn't expect anti-English Sweden on top of Spain. I had Smith at the helm<foolish altogether> With you even more foolish, with as weak an England as I had I should've sent 3 Xs the infantry to sit on those ships for when you went to kill Wellington! You were weak disorganized and likely distracted yourself with dividing Prussia and it was late...

However one thing did you overlook I did have 86% warscore at one point I'm almost certian in fact I think 87 or 88 as I stabbed for about 50 percent of territory thinking you might give it to avoid the hurt. It's almost impossible to beat these late stage Uber Leaders with Cannons and a Sea to retreat.. Especially when they can ferry to and from so easily... I have faced it and it often decimates one, the speed and the ability to cross the uncrossable oceans allows for just too much power!

technically you repelled me and were unprepared but pretty battered and beaten, no Land Power unprepared stands much of a chance against the initial onslaught but I'm sure had you had a fully mobilized Million Man Army I would've lost and on top of it an Ally to hit my Flank. Perhaps I'm wrong though and perhaps France and Prussia had drained you to some extent! Never know, I wasn't as attentive to the War as I should've been and way too late. I wish we'd of continued the Session, my MP was 80... ROFL

I bet yours was near 800

P.S. I had St. Pete, all the way to Moscow.. and about 5-6 other Cores of yours... I pressed purposely not to kill my Uber Leader or I would have 10 of your Cores and could've forced peace knowing your rules. The only thing you threw at me was 300-400k of infantry and a bit of cannons all worse disorganized than myself. I'm shocked you survived as well as you had you wouldn't have if I would've truly had the Infantry to back up a 2nd Summer offensive.. Probably would've got 99 WS by Summer 2

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Drew,

More revisionist history.

The rules of our game stated that one needed 85% WS to force a peace. Even with St. Petersburg and a couple other provinces left in your hands, you were down to around 30%. You also went south instead of east, a critical mistake, and I'd regrouped and rebuilt my armies so that even with your fleet intact you never could've regained a foothold.

And you never would've gained one to begin with if you hadn't DOWed after we'd already called the session and were simply cleaning up the map. My regular standing armies had been dispersed to the south and I didn't both reestablishing the Kremlin Guard. But even unprepared and faced with Wellington, you were still unable to defeat Russia, and would've been quite apart from the ambush on your fleet (which can be well compared to the surprise attack after we decided to end).

It was a nice landing and a good move until you moved south where tax base, manpower and VPs were all lower. And you retreat to the coast was hardly "clever." If you'd remained in the north you wouldn't have nearly lost Wellington, and even keeping him alive was a moral victory rather than a practical one. With my armies rebuilt and reorganized, you wouldn't have been able to come near winning that war, and extending yourself in that way left you vulnerable in Sweden's home waters.

All-in-all, a regular war you've blown up into some kind of titanic achievement and example of what MCT can do. It was Wellington who got the job done, and even he, with mass cannon, was unable to make it stick.
 
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Infantry is cheaper, Infantry is powerful against just leftover attritted armies... Good Terrain Matters... I don't think it Matters Dago, if you have the Real Estate. I wouldn't engage a frontal assualt on an enemy army with 1000-1500 cannons!!! Especially not on a coast... Very little attrittion if he's unloading

If you back up and can afford stab, perhaps it's best to have less cannon, weak forts in the front, strong in the rear<better for attrittion> and wait... Given, if you have to fight a battle in the front you'll need the cannons or as you can see in most cases you'll get those late nappy era evaporation armies! Heh... Perhaps if for Nappy Era we downgraded all of our leaders to 2/2/2 we'd make our games more accurate and interesting. Giving only Nappy and Wellington perhaps a 2/2/3/2

After everything else is said, luck of the dice matters a lot..

Dago said:
obviously a 200k inf with 1000 cannons is perfect (and rather balanced army)
but unbalanced armies forward cannons are bad,imho
 

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Drew,

You were stabhitting as soon as you were able and it wasn't enough to knock me down to -3, so no, you couldn't have force peaced me.

As for preserving your leader, that's blatantly false. You moved south and got beat. If you'd moved east, you very well could have held out and force peaced me. And don't tell me it was some kind of tactical decision-my armies were largely concentrated south, it had lower supply and lower VPs. You screwed up, period.

EDIT: And not to labor the point, but my army was not "more disorganized" than yours and your offensive failed not because you lacked manpower but because you went the wrong way.

And Drake's right. You're really insufferable now.
 
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Cannons are for girls, just give me infantry anyday
 

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Roi Soleil said:
Cannons are for girls, just give me infantry anyday


yeah :p
 

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tomorrow i wont work :)
see u tonight,sissies :rofl:
 

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I'm going to be about 15 minutes late
 

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HAL is able to sub.btw
 
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Sorry I missed today's session, my computer went to hell, & I had to buy a new one :( Unfortunately I have had to reinstall ICQ, along with everything else, & I do not remember my number. Could someone please give me my ICQ#?
 

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Vendere Sacerdo said:
Sorry I missed today's session, my computer went to hell, & I had to buy a new one :( Unfortunately I have had to reinstall ICQ, along with everything else, & I do not remember my number. Could someone please give me my ICQ#?


280-880-064
sorry,forgot do it before
anyway,didnt see ur msg if not after end of session
 

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Vendere Sacerdo said:
Thanks Dago, how did Portugal end up there?


ur spain was left ghost,and rebels defected
i think it can be easy fixed by edits
 

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AHhhhhhhh! That's why you were holding out me with the gamerules LOL

And taking my stabs, you didn't want to face the gauntlet, had Sweden and Spain not intervened I'd of taken my prize Mother Russia regardless of having a bitch for an England. 80 MP is unworkable, it'd take me 3 years of recruiting just to replace infantry losses especially with the way the Merc pool was drained on top of that Sweden blocked my retreat out which killed off about 100k of my Infantry in Winter and not only that had I known all I needed was -3 stab and 86 or so percent I would've been done with you pronto.. I suppose my error for not reading up but I was distracted.. You're fortunate. I would have come with 500 thousand infantry and ensured you were devoured!

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Drew,

You were stabhitting as soon as you were able and it wasn't enough to knock me down to -3, so no, you couldn't have force peaced me.

As for preserving your leader, that's blatantly false. You moved south and got beat. If you'd moved east, you very well could have held out and force peaced me. And don't tell me it was some kind of tactical decision-my armies were largely concentrated south, it had lower supply and lower VPs. You screwed up, period.

EDIT: And not to labor the point, but my army was not "more disorganized" than yours and your offensive failed not because you lacked manpower but because you went the wrong way.

And Drake's right. You're really insufferable now.
 

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see u tomorrow,guys
and neither this wedsnaday i ll work :)
 

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I'm going to be about 15 minutes late, possibly a little more like last week.
 

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WAR4 hasnt been the best (for some drop and some accident) ,but anyway a very fun and nice epilogue for the serie of WAR
i hope it ll reborn again,before or later
 

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