WAR III - There will be only one

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Psst, LE... his 180 degree shift came *after* you turned down all his offers.

I said his offer wasn't suitable he didn't negotiate at all, this is NOT my fault here its 100% his.

 

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Friendship is not a permanent condition. When you act in ways that undermine the friendship, you must EXPECT the other party to change their minds. And there is no such thing as "friendship" in EU2, it is all about agreements.

If you agreements expire, you are exposed. That is why you tend to get ganged and I dont. I got ganged earlier because I didnt feel right beating on France when I had the opportunity. He was a little weak looking and beleagured. So I let him be and he came back to gang me with Russia. Stupid mistake on my part.

Oh you will get ganged, you can count on it, your allies will leave you out to dry and after this session it is you who will be having terms dictated to them like you were doing to me.

 

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I said his offer wasn't suitable he didn't negotiate at all, this is NOT my fault here its 100% his.

Not really. Part of diplomacy is realizing when you have no leverage, 'cause the other guy has no responsibility to play nice with you at that point.

 

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Not really. Part of diplomacy is realizing when you have no leverage, 'cause the other guy has no responsibility to play nice with you at that point.

Well why does then my saying no to this deal automatically lead to a dow? Heh really I was doing him a favour by taking NL as he didn't want tem to get anything.

 

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Oh you will get ganged, you can count on it, your allies will leave you out to dry and after this session it is you who will be having terms dictated to them like you were doing to me.

You know, even though its blatantly obvious what your next course of action is, its not very good to reveal your entire plans through such a threat. Better to make it obscure .

 

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Oh, you were doing me a favor? And what is this bullshit about Tem getting nothing? I am merely using provinces I am going to lose anyway to gain political power, has nothing to do with Spain. If Spain had offered me a deal, I would have given them to him.

 

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You know, even though its blatantly obvious what your next course of action is, its not very good to reveal your entire plans through such a threat. Better to make it obscure .

No one said she was the sharpest knife in the drawer.

 

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No one said she was the sharpest knife in the drawer.

must resist the urge to get annoyed

 

[unmerged(5161)]

By my math, I should be gaining a nice bit of Military Tradition despite a fairly bad session for me.

1 Success vs Brandenburg
1 Loss to Russia
1 WP to France
1 Success vs France

That is 3 MT, right? Hrm, I think that is all my wars.

 

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OE needs mad edits, yo. Dig it?

 

[Zeitgeist]

Interesting session, good fights... not exactly as I planned out either It's time for Sweden to lick her wounds, give up her dreams of a Dutch empire at least for now, and start focusing on her economic base and the future.

 

[Dago]

very good session,also for my Russia
i hope some1 will do stats soon

 

[King John]

MT 1575

France 4.5* (.5 increase)

(-2 degradation)
(1 for first war with Austria)
(.5 for second war with Austria)
(.5 for war with Brand)
(.5 for war with England)

Austria 6.5* (2.5 increase)


(-2 degradation)
(1 + .5 for victory over Bra)
(.5 for war with Russia)
(.5 + .5 for victory over Bra)
(.5 for war with France)
(.5 + .5 for victory over France)

Spain 3* (no change)

(-1.5 degradation)
(1 + .5 for victory over Sweden)

England 2.75* (.75 decrease)

(-1.75 degradation)
(1 for war with France)


Sweden 3* (2 increase)

(-.5 degradation)
(1 + .5 victory over Port)
(.5 war with Spain)
(.5 for 2nd war with Porto)

Russia 2.25* (.75 increase)

(-.75)
(1 + .5 for victory over Austria)

Brandenburg 2.5* (2.5 increase)

(1 for first Austrian war)
(.5 for 2nd Austrian war)
(.5 +.5 for victory over France)

Portugal 1.5* (1.5 increase)

(1 for first war with Sweden)
(.5 for 2nd war with Sweden)

Ottoman Empire .75 (.75 decrease)

(-.75 degradation)

 

[Dago]

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...alkyrie.net V&game=XIX&yearsave=1575&lang=eng

 

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I dont think it is fair to consider the Brand-France war as a seperate war for France. Austria and Brand declared war together and peaced together.

Russia fought on after the defeat of Brandenburg, so that should be considered a seperate war, just as England-France is a seperate war from Brand/Aus - France.

 

[Dago]

btw,i declare winners of the session KJ and zeit :
the first for have fought very well vs eng-aus-bra
the second did the same vs the uber spain of Temu
good job

 

[King John]

You fought France and Russia at the same time earlier as well. We were kinda like an alliance, the only difference being that Dago signed a seperate peace with you. I gave you credit for fighting both of us though.

You're basing this on the fact that LE or you didn't sign a seperate peace, but why should that make a difference? Because it's awkward to give points when someone has signed peace at an earlier time. When two countries go to war together and peace at the same time, it's easy to look at them as a single unit, but that doesn't mean individually that they were any less trouble for the country fighting them.

I know we used to count alliances as one war, but since we got rid of alliances I realized it's much fairer if we count every single war seperately, every single country vs country conflict as a seperate MT score. That's the way I've approached it since we started this game.

 

[Dago]

I dont think it is fair to consider the Brand-France war as a seperate war for France. Austria and Brand declared war together and peaced together.

Russia fought on after the defeat of Brandenburg, so that should be considered a seperate war, just as England-France is a seperate war from Brand/Aus - France.

if some1 peace together,dont mean isnt a separate war
or u should get 0,25 each one also
i d agree u 0,5 and fra 0,5+0,5
and avoid human alliances makes sense also for this

 

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You fought France and Russia at the same time earlier as well. We were kinda like an alliance, the only difference being that Dago signed a seperate peace with you. I gave you credit for fighting both of us though.

Are you seriously arguing that France-Russia vs Austria is comparable to Austria-Brandenburg vs France?

 

[Dago]

You fought France and Russia at the same time earlier as well. We were kinda like an alliance, the only difference being that Dago signed a seperate peace with you. I gave you credit for fighting both of us though.

You're basing this on the fact that LE or you didn't sign a seperate peace, but why should that make a difference? Because it's awkward to give points when someone has signed peace at an earlier time. When two countries go to war together and peace at the same time, it's easy to look at them as a single unit, but that doesn't mean individually that they were any less trouble for the country fighting them.

I know we used to count alliances as one war, but since we got rid of alliances I realized it's much fairer if we count every single war seperately, every single country vs country conflict as a seperate MT score. That's the way I've approached it since we started this game.

i ve read this rigth now
and it s what i wanted say,even if my post is surely less clear,as language