War for the Shogunate?

[Madae]

So, in the past when doing this and you weren't able to take all of Ashikaga lands in one war, Ashikaga became independent and was usually immediately guaranteed, tribbed or allied by Ming, making it near impossible (arguable?) to finish uniting Japan... has this been changed? I would think they should be force vassalized as a daimyo, albeit a little pissy about losing the title of Shogun... or maybe instead they are just left alone by everyone so they can be cleaned up.

 

[TenshiN]

Get tributaried yourself and finish it off. I have never seen Ming guranteeing or allying Ashikaga. Anyway, unifying Japan is for scrubs, real men stay as Independent Daimyo for those sweet sweet combat bonuses that are ways better than being a generic despotic monarchy

 

[Madae]

It's been awhile since I've tried a Japan game, mostly because of this and how much of a pain in the ass it became - unable to finish war goals because of limits on ceding territory and such.

And what is or isn't more powerful doesn't really come into it for me.

 

[Parapluman]

The rules of becoming a tributary have changed a lot. For AI Ming to accept a nation as tributary it either needs to border Ming or border an established tributary. (Sea borders also count here)
Since Ashikaga does neither, I doubt they will become a Ming tributary.

 

[Madae]

(Sea borders also count here)

How does this work? Wouldn't they be a sea border of Korea?

 

[Parapluman]

How does this work? Wouldn't they be a sea border of Korea?

Ah darn it you're right of course, I had done some testing recently and this seemed to be it, but it's clear I missed something.

Anyway in my games (since 1.23) Ming is currently unwilling to tributize anyone on Japan (Even if you want to be a tributary). It seems you need to colonize Taiwan before they are even willing to consider it.