War for independance

[wright1331]

So I tried a game as Mongols in 1.33, and noticed I could not take any territory during my independence war. I see nothing in the notes about this, did this happen some time ago and I just havent noticed?

 

[Guibou]

There is a line in the patch note about cb. You cant take land in independence or subjetification cb anymore. They want cb choice more impactful acording to the last DD.

 

[Jagarundi]

Unfortunately it is not a bug; they purposely changed it so that you can't even retake your own cores in an independence war. Personally, I'm not fan of the change at all. If it survives the beta, I won't be updating to 1.33 any time soon.

 

[Guibou]

- Force Tributary CB (along with other CB’s with a specific purpose, as Restoration of Union and Subjugation) don’t allow taking of provinces any more.

From the january 18th DD, I didn't find the line in the patch note, just wanted to clarify my previous post.

 

[Terixis]

This is a pretty awful change. I can understand it for force tributary or union/subjugation since you theoretically want those nations intact but the idea that a nation declaring independence can't reclaim its rightful land from its former overlord even if it's fully occupying them is absurd.

Land you already have cores on should always be possible to take in wars that aren't humiliate/trade dispute.

 

[wright1331]

wow this does seem like a really bad change. I'm sure there are many examples, but just from the experience I had getting your missions started as Mongolia will be stupid hard (especially with the alliance blocks in the one game I did)

 

[Republic of Mercury]

There is a line in the patch note about cb. You cant take land in independence or subjetification cb anymore. They want cb choice more impactful acording to the last DD.

Maybe cb "choice" should be more impactful, but since subjects don't really have a choice of cb...

 

[Restless Native]

The peace limitation by different types of CB’s never made sense to me.
Imagine a defeated ruler, in chains, in the smoking rubble that was his capital, his family exiled, his court members hanging from tree branches and his people starving to death. Now imagine him wagging his finger at you. “Ah ah. You didn’t use the right CB for that. I win by technicality.”

Then again it’s not all about logical. Gameplay and balance.

 

[currylambchop]

i think when you force your overlord to give independence, then you should get all your cores for free. That seems like a decent compromise.

and for flower wars and force tributary, let you use the cb on countries bordering your tributaries/vassals

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Taking back your cores maybe provinces of your culture should be possible in an independence War in my opinion.

I am fine with disabling taking other provinces though. That War should primarily be about getting independent and I can't think of an example at the moment where am indenpendence War at the moment where they took half of their former overlord (like you will most likely do in EU4).

 

[cuendillar]

Retaking (or even transferring) cores during independence wars would make a lot of sense, since cores usually mean that it's historically a part of your nation It would also mean "seize land from vassal" less abuseable, since it wouldn't "safeguard" a valuable province in case of an independence war. Culture would be more iffy, in particular since the overlord and subject may be of the same culture - like between the Bavarian minors that keep PUing and breaking free from each other.

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Retaking (or even transferring) cores during independence wars would make a lot of sense, since cores usually mean that it's historically a part of your nation It would also mean "seize land from vassal" less abuseable, since it wouldn't "safeguard" a valuable province in case of an independence war. Culture would be more iffy, in particular since the overlord and subject may be of the same culture - like between the Bavarian minors that keep PUing and breaking free from each other.

Yeah you are right. I forgot what this would cause in smaller nations or the HRE.