War diplomacy is buggy

[Technotopia]

New features in Utopia are cool, but fixing the lame diplomacy is very important. It would be very disappointing if this mess will be overlooked once again in favor of Dyson spheres and Shroud.

So, first an example. Thats what actually happened in my game:
1. Xenophobe FE awakened near me.
2. I had no choice but to accept thralldom, becoming subject.
3. They fought a war and 'awarded' me with liberated planet of defeated enemy. I became guarantor of independence of the liberated planet leeching influence. And as a subject I can't revoke the guarantee (which is strange at best!)
4. They later declared war on the planet, they recently liberated dragging me as a guarantor into war against them, which is ridiculous amount of fun as I have no adequate fleet to defeat AE. I can't propose peace as I'm not the primary defender. Unlike EU I'm not in control of war on defense side, despite being two orders of magnitude stronger then 'primary defender', so I will have to fight till the bitter end, unable to somehow negotiate a peace.


Every single feature that is working as designed, but the entire design is buggy.
At least we need to remove the restriction on revoking treaties by subjects. Even better - allow more flexible peace negotiation. Claiming things that were not in war goals initially and secondary participants to negotiate peace for their own.

 

[First Order of Enoch]

Never trust a fallen empire.

Federation of Non-aligned planets united!

 

[henzington]

Wiz has stated that they plan on addressing war goals as in the future. As far as bending you knee to another empire, I say freedom or death.

 

[Fourthspartan56]

Utopia and Banks are focused on internal empire mechanics, thus they won't be making any major changes to warfare. But I wouldn't be surprised if the next Update/DLC combo focused on external empire mechanics like Diplomacy and/or Warfare.

 

[Technotopia]

Wiz has stated that they plan on addressing war goals as in the future. As far as bending you knee to another empire, I say freedom or death.

It was a hard choice. I faced an awakened empire in 103 year and they demanded thralldom, I tried to buy some time to tech up and prepare to strike them. Actually, I asked ppl here what would they do in such situation and majority thought that thralldom is best option (and actually only one).

Now I have another oddity. I'm at war with my overlord. I don't pay tax to them, but I'm still considered subject: I can't do any diplomacy and colonize, which is quite ridiculous.

 

[pryr]

Actually, there is another option. You can be in war with someone and then AE will unable to demand from you anything (And don't get any opinion reduction). Even if they already demanded it, you can't accept it, and result is the same.
Of course being on fake war for that kinda cheating, but if AE cheats against you, surely you can do the same. If you have savefile before thralldom, of course.

 

[Alblaka]

Make it a bug report then?
Because the AFE liberating you a planet, just to attack you again for it is either a bug or a design oversight.