Maybe it should be that way, Tem. So far it's been 1 for the first war every other session, or after every leader generation.
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ryoken69 said:
Good point. Maybe to do that, England, France, Russia, Austria, Prussia, and Denmark should lose the randoms while the others keep them.
Bumble Bee said:Yah my leaders have been overpowered generally,
Had a 5,6,5 a 5,4,5,2 and a 4,3,5,1 and thats just last session
It's always better than nothing
can i change thereligion of my vassals to orthodox? it would be nice to have some fellow co-religious nations
Various crap I wouldn't particularly mind being editted to me: Munster, Kleeves, Hessen, Anhalt, Sachsen, and Erz.
Hey awesome OE swallowed Austria...so Ryo did end up pissing off too many people? :rofl:
If someone could fill me in...
If someone could fill me in...
after last dramatic session,and after seeing stats,i ve some proposals to do,for the good of the game :
-venice is in good shape,so i think,if we dont have choice,is better let venice at zeitgest/lady europa and drop definitly austria and make the central germany a land of conquest (even if i d agree to edit back austria if we find a reliable player,but very reliable)
-give latin tech at OE
i continue firmly to think that this is one of best and more fun game i ve never played,and so i wanna finish it
-venice is in good shape,so i think,if we dont have choice,is better let venice at zeitgest/lady europa and drop definitly austria and make the central germany a land of conquest (even if i d agree to edit back austria if we find a reliable player,but very reliable)
-give latin tech at OE
i continue firmly to think that this is one of best and more fun game i ve never played,and so i wanna finish it
admiral drake said:omg what happend to austria
edit : good job dago
1-is a long story,i ll tell u on ICQ for avoid others useless issues
2-thx
even if i still suxx as naval fighter 
I'm asking for 2 points in centralisation to compensate lost domestic clicks during the 15 years you guys played without me. And yeah, latin techs. Apparently you guys used that time to speed up to the next land CRT.
ORIGINALLY POSTED ON ADAMS BOARDS BECAUSE PARADOX WAS DOWN:
Why I quit WAR:
I probably shouldnt have committed suicide in the manner that I did and in hindsight I can see your frustration but consider my position for a moment. I had just done everything in my power to defeat the OE fighting with both Portugal and Denmark and I still lost. Not only did I lose, but I lost Prinz Eugen in the process and France broke their vassalage. So really the future of Austria was simply to submit to being an OE henchman and that I would not accept.
Temujin, John, and I would argue BOCAJ won this game. They build fantastic countries and I applaud them. However, the stubborness of certain players, luck, and a combination of a lot of decisions left central Europe with (after my defeat) what would become 4 minor powers. Spain, Netherlands, and Poland were dead. Brandenburg, France, Austria, and Venice lack the strength to really do anything without help. So essentially the center of Europe was killed and the fringe powers made great.
Thats cool and all. You guys win, good job, pat on the back. But playing as a central power that is incapable of any kind of real independent policy just isnt fun for me. Now I probably shouldnt have collapsed myself, but I was hoping that my death would perhaps strengthen Brandenburg and France to the point that they could be somewhat effective. A far fetched goal, but the last on my mind.
Talking before the game, Drew said it best. Either I would win the war or I would lose and slide into death. Well, I lost the war and so I gave up. Psychologically, the events of the session were horrific. But I was able to maintain cool emotions, even if they were self-destructive. That is actually pretty good for me. Usually I just drop and tell people to fuck off. But I am maturing now HAHAHAHA!
So judge me as you will, but know my reasons. A world of 5 superpowers and 4 slaves just isnt fun for the slaves. I would love to play in the next incarnation of WAR, if you will have me. I promise to not intentionally collapse my country and simply resign at end of session; if I ever decide to quit. I understand if you dont want me to play, but dont let a single crime of passion shape your whole judgement of my worth to a game.
When I thought I had a chance to be a major power, it was the best game I ever played in. Honest. Temujin, you are a fantastic warrior and I respect you. John and Drew, never saw you fight but your diplomacy is top notch. I give you the wreath of victory. Peace out brothers. Enjoy the wars.
Additional Text to Respond to Certain People:
1. Dago shouldnt say a damn thing about me considering what he did to Poland.
2. My self-destruction was imposed by me, not my enemies; Lady Europa. I committed suicide intentionally; not because of ganging. I did NOT have too many enemies. France didnt break away until very late in the war after Prinz Eugen died and I was psychologically and physically broken by the OE.
3. It is easy for people who are fighting naval wars of "land-assault-retreat" to act as if Temujin is easily defeated. Perhaps he is easily "picked at", but you try holding back the OE hordes on your border. Especially when you are fighting Russia at the same damn time. Russia never posed a serious threat to me on his own, only when combined with the OE. I let him overrun Poland, sending only a few skirmishing armies to fight there. But once he started sending 30-50k armies to support Temujin's counterattacks and causing me to lose battles that way, Russian help was a decisive factor.
Why I quit WAR:
I probably shouldnt have committed suicide in the manner that I did and in hindsight I can see your frustration but consider my position for a moment. I had just done everything in my power to defeat the OE fighting with both Portugal and Denmark and I still lost. Not only did I lose, but I lost Prinz Eugen in the process and France broke their vassalage. So really the future of Austria was simply to submit to being an OE henchman and that I would not accept.
Temujin, John, and I would argue BOCAJ won this game. They build fantastic countries and I applaud them. However, the stubborness of certain players, luck, and a combination of a lot of decisions left central Europe with (after my defeat) what would become 4 minor powers. Spain, Netherlands, and Poland were dead. Brandenburg, France, Austria, and Venice lack the strength to really do anything without help. So essentially the center of Europe was killed and the fringe powers made great.
Thats cool and all. You guys win, good job, pat on the back. But playing as a central power that is incapable of any kind of real independent policy just isnt fun for me. Now I probably shouldnt have collapsed myself, but I was hoping that my death would perhaps strengthen Brandenburg and France to the point that they could be somewhat effective. A far fetched goal, but the last on my mind.
Talking before the game, Drew said it best. Either I would win the war or I would lose and slide into death. Well, I lost the war and so I gave up. Psychologically, the events of the session were horrific. But I was able to maintain cool emotions, even if they were self-destructive. That is actually pretty good for me. Usually I just drop and tell people to fuck off. But I am maturing now
HAHAHAHA!So judge me as you will, but know my reasons. A world of 5 superpowers and 4 slaves just isnt fun for the slaves. I would love to play in the next incarnation of WAR, if you will have me. I promise to not intentionally collapse my country and simply resign at end of session; if I ever decide to quit. I understand if you dont want me to play, but dont let a single crime of passion shape your whole judgement of my worth to a game.
When I thought I had a chance to be a major power, it was the best game I ever played in. Honest. Temujin, you are a fantastic warrior and I respect you. John and Drew, never saw you fight but your diplomacy is top notch. I give you the wreath of victory. Peace out brothers. Enjoy the wars.
Additional Text to Respond to Certain People:
1. Dago shouldnt say a damn thing about me considering what he did to Poland.
2. My self-destruction was imposed by me, not my enemies; Lady Europa. I committed suicide intentionally; not because of ganging. I did NOT have too many enemies. France didnt break away until very late in the war after Prinz Eugen died and I was psychologically and physically broken by the OE.
3. It is easy for people who are fighting naval wars of "land-assault-retreat" to act as if Temujin is easily defeated. Perhaps he is easily "picked at", but you try holding back the OE hordes on your border. Especially when you are fighting Russia at the same damn time. Russia never posed a serious threat to me on his own, only when combined with the OE. I let him overrun Poland, sending only a few skirmishing armies to fight there. But once he started sending 30-50k armies to support Temujin's counterattacks and causing me to lose battles that way, Russian help was a decisive factor.
ryoken69 said:
1-i quitted after the second gang
2-after last peace,i had still 100k MP avaible and 150 supportable amount ;
i was entering in alliance with OE,so i could still make something of interesting
but LE was dropping by NL,and was a long time i wanted try them
3-maybe i ve committed some mistakes,but i was pissed off to fight again and again the same uber alliance,while portugal (for ex,nothing vs Bocaj) was growing and growing.Looked like my poland was the only prob,while my only friend ( OE ) had a lot probs with his conn,letting pratically me alone for the two last crucial sessions as Poland
well,this is not ur case
1. This wasnt my first war vs OE or something. So you got ganged twice. So what? I didnt quit because I got ganged, I quit because the game is horribly imbalanced. It was BEFORE last session and now OE is even fucked because of his LT. Naval powers rule this game. I lost Vienna to Turks, so dont act like I quit just because I lost A war; when I quit Temujin held 0 Austrian provinces. I have lost 4 provinces to OE before, that isnt the issue. The issue is that it was clear that I had no way of ever beating OE without Naval Power help and once that help was withdrawn I was dead meat.
2. I had decent MP and income too before I commited suicide.
3. Poland was destroyed because you had poor diplomacy and you were too stubborn to accept modest peace. Instead, you fought to the death like you always do and ruined your country. I commited suicide intentionally, you commit suicide by being too stubborn and other countries "put you to sleep"
2. I had decent MP and income too before I commited suicide.
3. Poland was destroyed because you had poor diplomacy and you were too stubborn to accept modest peace. Instead, you fought to the death like you always do and ruined your country. I commited suicide intentionally, you commit suicide by being too stubborn and other countries "put you to sleep"
Very interesting. Ok, we'll give OE latin tech and a couple dp clicks, and go with the general proposal of giving everyone something, navals dp clicks to land, and all the rest some naval tech and warships.
. Ok, we'll give OE latin tech and a couple dp clicks, and go with the general proposal of giving everyone something, navals dp clicks to land, and all the rest some naval tech and warships.I think I'm inclined to come out in favor of a game-reset again. Certain things have just gone too far to be changed at this point without HEAVY editting, and really, if that's the only option, why not just restart?
I'm proud of the fact that I managed to hang on after about 200 years of periodically having the shit beaten out of me, and I'm proud of the fact that, like a cockroach, my small Brandenburg outlasted the much larger Austrian whale, but really, there's no where we can go from here. Just a whole lot of the same. OE is unapproachable as the king of land nations. France is constantly getting fucked over by the Naval powers. Brandenburg gets stuck with the unappealing task of holding back the Slav Hordes. If we ressurect Austria they're just another power in the long shadow of Temujin. I ask you, what real options do we have here?
I'm proud of the fact that I managed to hang on after about 200 years of periodically having the shit beaten out of me, and I'm proud of the fact that, like a cockroach, my small Brandenburg outlasted the much larger Austrian whale, but really, there's no where we can go from here. Just a whole lot of the same. OE is unapproachable as the king of land nations. France is constantly getting fucked over by the Naval powers. Brandenburg gets stuck with the unappealing task of holding back the Slav Hordes. If we ressurect Austria they're just another power in the long shadow of Temujin. I ask you, what real options do we have here?
Tem doesn't have to be beaten out of Austria now. Austria's like Byzantium, no longer an entity. The OE ate it, and now it's just another part of the OE, like the balkans in a normal game.
I do agree that this will be less interesting without an Austria, unless the OE, France and Brand start vying with each other for control of Germany. If not, we're pretty much limited to the coasts.
Who here would be interested in a country swap? If there are enough wanting to do that, I'd go with it too.
I do agree that this will be less interesting without an Austria, unless the OE, France and Brand start vying with each other for control of Germany. If not, we're pretty much limited to the coasts.
Who here would be interested in a country swap? If there are enough wanting to do that, I'd go with it too.
I know how to fix this situation, JTU. All we have to do is combine Austria and most of Southern Germany with Portugal!!! We give Porto those lands, while giving the navals land dp clicks, and then abra kadabra, you have a new problem for the OE to deal with! We could do it with England or Den too, but I think Port is the best candidate. It has the most money to afford something like that, and would make the most sense geographically.
One simple easy edit(well, it's all the same to you guys anyway), and all our problems will be solved, and Temujin won't have to become bored with the OE .
We give Porto those lands, while giving the navals land dp clicks, and then abra kadabra, you have a new problem for the OE to deal with! We could do it with England or Den too, but I think Port is the best candidate. It has the most money to afford something like that, and would make the most sense geographically. One simple easy edit(well, it's all the same to you guys anyway), and all our problems will be solved, and Temujin won't have to become bored with the OE
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