Wake Up!

[kalkkuna]

I see Paradox products as a long term investment.

No, don't try...

I preorder my HOI3 from Steam with full price. When it arrive I didin't like it. Patches don't help, this is still something "unplayable" to me. I am kicked by too meny things. I have play startegy games since C64 times and will keep paying for rest of my life. HOI3 is trying to be king of the hill (as it is - when you look all promising aspects), but sadly goal was set too high this time. Then result is what is it now.

Ver 2.0 might be the solution but this is business and work costs. Good point is that for version 2.0 engine will be widely tested like also the troubles are fixed. Hope that I will then purchace fixed version even this left bad taste.

Final nail to my coffin was, when I saw game at Steam sale some week ago (for x euros, not xx euros) - then I REALLY fell myself an idiot. They got me

 

[kunadam]

Very good ideas with very poor implementation will destroy PI if the continue in this line.

According to what they communicate they will hire professional quality control staff who would do their beta tests.
They hopefully learn from their mistakes.

 

[Cardus]

Problem for PI is that, as more and more customers realise that is not worth buying their products until a few months after the release date, it will come a point when their launches are total failures, and so will their company.

Very good ideas with very poor implementation will destroy PI if the continue in this line. I would advise them to hire some better technical staff, as they seem to have enough good visionary people, but of course I dont know their finances so my advice is probably worthless. Good luck to them though.

As I said above I can afford buying a not finished game and wait for months in order to get the bug fixed. What I don't like is to be obliged to buy an expansion in order to play.

 

[wolf1455]

No offence but the rules state

"You will not argue with, comment on or question the actions/authority of the Paradox staff (Administrators, Moderators, etc.) in a public forum. Should you wish to do so you are directed to contact the Paradox staff via PM (the private messaging system - see “Violations and Penalties” below). "

So I am actually within my right to ban you for that post.

So as a general comment to everyone, think before you post.

Do you consider me a border line troller too ?

 

[wolf1455]

Special reasons????? Really to be honest there are no special reasons why you should not register. Still no one forces you to register but I will waste no more time with you. My time is finite and there are so many people I can listen to, those who register the games get priority.

Before I registred I amongst other where called pirates(for haviing ilegal copy) and after Reged Im treated as a troll. Im so afraid that me saying this will ban me. Why scaring us to silence, we are here in this forum because we believe in hoi3 potensial.

 

[TheLoneGunman]

Before I registred I amongst other where called pirates(for haviing ilegal copy) and after Reged Im treated as a troll. Im so afraid that me saying this will ban me. Why scaring us to silence, we are here in this forum because we believe in hoi3 potensial.

The rules state not to argue with a decision.

If you REALLY MUST argue, PM King, or PM an Admin.

That's the proper way to handle it.

As long as you follow the rules, you'll be fine, just stop trying to make a martyr our of yourself and be civil.

 

[wolf1455]

The rules state not to argue with a decision.

If you REALLY MUST argue, PM King, or PM an Admin.

That's the proper way to handle it.

As long as you follow the rules, you'll be fine, just stop trying to make a martyr our of yourself and be civil.

I agree what you say about rules but I as a whackamoule in this forum, you cant wack me if I shutup.
Ps I still havent been able to finnish a game. Ds.

 

[Slyguy3129]

Perhaps if you would define "is" the question would be answered.
Oop's, OT.

Buwhahahahaha. *Points Seriously to Forum Room* "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"

 

[Slyguy3129]

No, don't try...

I also do not subject my views and values to other peoples opinion. I have been around Paradox a long time and I am not likely to change the way I view them any time soon.

Some people just need to learn patience. We live in an instant gratification society these days. It has terminally affected just about everyone under the age of 18, to where they think everything they want must happen now, and can not stand to wait for it.

To me waiting makes it all the more enjoyable. I would happily invest $40 now for Vic 2, just because I know the game will be spectacular as long as Paradox supports it.

I have the utmost faith in Paradox period. One or a group of nawsayers are just that, naysayers. If you do not like the game, fine don't play it. One way or the other I do not care.

 

[wolf1455]

I also do not subject my views and values to other peoples opinion. I have been around Paradox a long time and I am not likely to change the way I view them any time soon.

Some people just need to learn patience. We live in an instant gratification society these days. It has terminally affected just about everyone under the age of 18, to where they think everything they want must happen now, and can not stand to wait for it.

To me waiting makes it all the more enjoyable. I would happily invest $40 now for Vic 2, just because I know the game will be spectacular as long as Paradox supports it.

I have the utmost faith in Paradox period. One or a group of nawsayers are just that, naysayers. If you do not like the game, fine don't play it. One way or the other I do not care.

I want to play the game, im desperatly want to play the game promised in dev diarys. Still not ben able. Im yessayer. "YES !"And I have ideas. Give alot of them, still im only considerd a troll. How can that bee ?

 

[TheLoneGunman]

I agree what you say about rules but I as a whackamoule in this forum, you cant wack me if I shutup.
Ps I still havent been able to finnish a game. Ds.

I haven't even DESIRED to finish a game.

Too many elements still need work for me to enjoy it, mostly the AI, followed by Naval and Air combat.

 

[wolf1455]

I haven't even DESIRED to finish a game.

Too many elements still need work for me to enjoy it, mostly the AI, followed by Naval and Air combat.

Dont forget the diplomatic side, Axis in war with Axis.

 

[Ipmil]

Valkyrie et all

I too think that Paradox has gone way to far from a finished product. With EU 2 it was understandable,EU 3 i had learnt my lesson and bought a full pack with in nomine pre installed. But now I mean i have a hoi2 verision, another Hoi2 plus doomsday and a third with armageddon too. So I've bought 3 versions of the game, and they basically suck after a while.
Victoria is the game i've played the most, so i'll end up buying viccky 2 too. But i have no hopes of receiving value for my money until a mod is released.

It's pathetic really. for 10 years i've been playing and buying paradox games. and it's always the same, without a good modding community they are just not worth the money. I refuse to buy the roman EU 3 since i just know i'll be soo dissappointed. Does jugurtha spend years in rome on the bequest of the senate, does Julia die and therefore the influence on pompey end, causing the 2'nd triumvirate dissulution? Does Marius speak up against marcellus and thereby gain the position against numibia and sulla as his legate? Nah. Probably not.

On behalf of Sweden, i beg forgivness. Things made in sweden are usually good and robust, with quality matching their descriptions. Ikea does make good robust furniture although they have saved in certain parts to make it cheap. That is understandable since it is just that. Cheap.

The only great thing about paradox games are that they don't need the CD inserted to work.

Cheers

 

[TheLoneGunman]

I too think that Paradox has gone way to far from a finished product. With EU 2 it was understandable,EU 3 i had learnt my lesson and bought a full pack with in nomine pre installed. But now I mean i have a hoi2 verision, another Hoi2 plus doomsday and a third with armageddon too. So I've bought 3 versions of the game, and they basically suck after a while.
Victoria is the game i've played the most, so i'll end up buying viccky 2 too. But i have no hopes of receiving value for my money until a mod is released.

It's pathetic really. for 10 years i've been playing and buying paradox games. and it's always the same, without a good modding community they are just not worth the money. I refuse to buy the roman EU 3 since i just know i'll be soo dissappointed. Does jugurtha spend years in rome on the bequest of the senate, does Julia die and therefore the influence on pompey end, causing the 2'nd triumvirate dissulution? Does Marius speak up against marcellus and thereby gain the position against numibia and sulla as his legate? Nah. Probably not.

On behalf of Sweden, i beg forgivness. Things made in sweden are usually good and robust, with quality matching their descriptions. Ikea does make good robust furniture although they have saved in certain parts to make it cheap. That is understandable since it is just that. Cheap.

The only great thing about paradox games are that they don't need the CD inserted to work.

Cheers

In defense of EU:Rome with Vae Victis, it's a pretty sweet game.

My biggest beef is how limited it ends up being in terms of scope and timeline though.

It's a wonderful game and does what it does to near perfection, but we will always believe that "more is better".

 

[Cardus]

I too think that Paradox has gone way to far from a finished product. With EU 2 it was understandable,EU 3 i had learnt my lesson and bought a full pack with in nomine pre installed. But now I mean i have a hoi2 verision, another Hoi2 plus doomsday and a third with armageddon too. So I've bought 3 versions of the game, and they basically suck after a while.
Victoria is the game i've played the most, so i'll end up buying viccky 2 too. But i have no hopes of receiving value for my money until a mod is released.

It's pathetic really. for 10 years i've been playing and buying paradox games. and it's always the same, without a good modding community they are just not worth the money. I refuse to buy the roman EU 3 since i just know i'll be soo dissappointed. Does jugurtha spend years in rome on the bequest of the senate, does Julia die and therefore the influence on pompey end, causing the 2'nd triumvirate dissulution? Does Marius speak up against marcellus and thereby gain the position against numibia and sulla as his legate? Nah. Probably not.

On behalf of Sweden, i beg forgivness. Things made in sweden are usually good and robust, with quality matching their descriptions. Ikea does make good robust furniture although they have saved in certain parts to make it cheap. That is understandable since it is just that. Cheap.

The only great thing about paradox games are that they don't need the CD inserted to work.

Cheers

Paradox is a company that should make some profits and has not infinite resources for developing games. I have almost all games from Paradox and I will continue to buy their games for the following reasons:
1) The deep of their games
2) The moddability
3) The fact that sometimes Paradox pays attention to the community
4) The fact that Paradox doesn't make my life impossible with anti piracy measures

The dark side of the moon is that sometimes the games are unfinished. But as I mentioned above I'm available to wait for months in order to get a patch provided that I should not pay for it.

 

[unmerged(14719)]

I too think that Paradox has gone way to far from a finished product. With EU 2 it was understandable,EU 3 i had learnt my lesson and bought a full pack with in nomine pre installed. But now I mean i have a hoi2 verision, another Hoi2 plus doomsday and a third with armageddon too. So I've bought 3 versions of the game, and they basically suck after a while.
Victoria is the game i've played the most, so i'll end up buying viccky 2 too. But i have no hopes of receiving value for my money until a mod is released.

It's pathetic really. for 10 years i've been playing and buying paradox games. and it's always the same, without a good modding community they are just not worth the money. I refuse to buy the roman EU 3 since i just know i'll be soo dissappointed. Does jugurtha spend years in rome on the bequest of the senate, does Julia die and therefore the influence on pompey end, causing the 2'nd triumvirate dissulution? Does Marius speak up against marcellus and thereby gain the position against numibia and sulla as his legate? Nah. Probably not.

On behalf of Sweden, i beg forgivness. Things made in sweden are usually good and robust, with quality matching their descriptions. Ikea does make good robust furniture although they have saved in certain parts to make it cheap. That is understandable since it is just that. Cheap.

The only great thing about paradox games are that they don't need the CD inserted to work.

Cheers

Actually, Ikea is a very good example of screwing the customer over and making the customer feel good about it at the same time. (Seriously, if you don't get this statement, please think a little harder)

Strangely, the gaming industry is going down this sad sad route.

I absolutely hate DLC, especially DLC which is launched at the same time as the game. But if you really think about it, this method of selling has been around for ages.

Think about buying a car, and all the nice extras like powered windows, sports rims, upgrades from tape deck to media center, huds, etc, etc all costs extra.

However, if you really really think about it, many of these upgrades actually 'make' the ride.

If you're going to release a DLC, release a DLC that has more meat. Not some horse barding, or a short buggy dungeon so you can increase your storage size.

Pre-ordering a game so you can canter around in a DS9 uniform (picard will facepalm if he ever saw this) or 'obtain the coveted NX prefix (sigh....) or a free 'royal scots brigade' is pathetically sad.

Sad because, customers are so easily suckered.

Marketers believe that customers are actually much smarter than advertisers take them for, hence why messaging in advertising isn't dumbed down. (Which will explain the current slew of incoherent advertising) Marketers are just thinking that customers are really really smart..like psychic smart.

If only they could take a look at the gaming industry...as easy as selling crack to a 9 year old.

 

[Porkman]

If only they could take a look at the gaming industry...as easy as selling crack to a 9 year old.

Just how easy is that? :rofl:

 

[Davor]

Well waiting for a few months to make the game playable is bull. They could have just waited a few months and then release the game. Ok, I take that back, I would buy a game if a month or TWO the most they came out with a patch to make it playable. Money is hard to come by so I want my monies worth NOW not later. But sometimes you just can't wait to play a game and you want it released early. So I guess you take the good with the bad there.

But come on people. Where were you 15 years ago? I was laughed at when I said we should all stop buying computer games because EVERY ******** GAME needed a freaking patch. That is unaccaptable. But I was laughed at, and now it's the norm to release games early and maybe patch later. Some companies do patch the game till it's almost done and finished but others don't and those others give the whole community a bad name that computer games are never finished.

Then again, First time bad game, shame on you. Second time bad game, shame on me. third time bad game, oh will I deserve buying the crap when I should have known better. But if HoI IV comes out, most people will buy the game as soon as it comes out and it will be the same cycle over and over again, till everyone stops buying the games and let the companies go bankrupt, and then maybe then we will finally have games that will not need a patch to be playable. For me I lernt my lesson and I havn't bought HoI 3 yet, and will not support this type of business. I will stick with HoI2 but unfortunately, that will not give Paradox anymore money to be making new games from now on. Let's hope they lert the lesson now. I would hate to see them go under because I loved thier older games just havn't bought the new ones because of all the problems peple have with them.

 

[Garak]

And this from that empty airbag Frank? Isn't that the kettle calling the pot black.

lol He's not my congressman and I don't have much opinion on him one way or the other. Still, regardless of politics, that made me laugh when I saw it.

 

[Gaizokubanou]

This forum covers interaction for computer games...

It certainly covers somewhat, but lack of actual face to face interaction + the digital culture of "talking AT" rather than "talking WITH" detracts a lot of the volume of interactions that digital mediums such as this forum can put out.