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This is sort of a rant, but I've been pretty patient. But today my patience ran out. I can't play this game any more until 1.03, and only then if 1.03 fixes what are in my view the most annoying bugs.

First, there's the save & reload, lose your R & D and intel techs. This is annoying, but hey, I want to play, so I don't save and reload. I leave the game running all the time, in the background when necessary. Lucky I have a system that can do that.

Well, the CTDs certainly suck, because I have no save game to go back to, but they don't happen often, so I'll live. Oddly, they seem to happen whenever I tactical bomb or dive bomb Denmark (Kolding in particular), but what hell, Denmark isn't worth much, so I let the Danes keep it.

Then one game I lost a huge fighter airforce. I had it intercepting the French airforce, and it kept chasing them into France until it just landed, and got taken out on the ground. I had not ordered it to land, it just decided to land way behind enemy lines and *poof!* it was gone. If I had any saved games, I'd go back to one and recover my airforce. But I can't save any games because I don't want to lose the techs! So no dice there. So I searched the forum, and find that this is a known bug or issue or something, and that in order to avoid it you have to be very careful with your air units; every time an air battle is over, you have to manually direct your planes back to their base. This is a lot of micromanagement, but it's better than losing an entire airforce, so I say, what the hell, and manually redirect my squadrons to base after every air battle.

Then I start to notice that my air battles are going nowhere despite overwhelming strength and superior technology on my side. So I do another search, and learn how important weather is. Sure enough, it's raining where I was trying to fight an air battle. So I wait for the rain to clear. And I wait. And wait. And it NEVER clears! To stop the rain, I have to start another game. What's more, I notice that the longer the game goes on, the more rain I get, until it's raining pretty much throughout the entire world. This happens more or less every game. I read about how the AI "falls asleep." Maybe the weather falls asleep too, I think. If I save and reload, maybe the weather will "wake up"! But I can't save and reload because, well, see above.

So I decide to focus on the ground war. That's the real fight anyway. But I'm having trouble getting attacks timed right. A lot of the time, I can't get the timing box to come up at all. And about half the time that it does, it has no effect on the unit's attack time. I select "August 9, 8:00 hours" in the box and click "OK" and the unit says it's going to arrive at August 8 at 22:00. Headstrong corps commander! I don't know what causes this, but it means certain of my units are always getting ahead of other units and into battle before the main force arrives, often to get chewed up. So I try to keep only very large corps together, as this way they generally have sufficient strength to mount an attack. This reduces the amount of precision planning I can do (which really is where a lot of the fun comes in) but what the hell, I can still fight.

Next I'm getting strat bombed to within and inch of my life by Britain. I had good AA in my original provinces, but none in the newly conquered low countries or northern France. I scatter some fighters, and they do intercept, but they do no damage at all to the bombers because the weather is so bad (solid rain from Lisbon to Moscow, Vardo to Athens). And the bombers just keep coming. After a while they get smart enough to avoid provinces where I have fighters, and go for the undefended cities. Getting frustrated, I decide to take out the problem at the source. I mass an airforce of 9 fighter squadrons, base them in Lille, and go for Enlgand. There's the Royal Air Force, in all its glory, parked in Coventry, Portsmouth and London. Lots of bombers in Coventry, so I attack there, selecting "intercept." And my fighters do intercept. But, again, because of the weather, nothing happens. An air battle ensues that goes on for hours and stretches into days, with no side taking any casualties or taking any loss of org. The damned weather again. I should have known better. So I call off the attack. But it orders my planes to Sheffield! The game is paused so they haven't left yet, but it says they're going to Sheffield. I click every button I can click, and every home province I can click. No dice! The numbskull air general wants to take them to Sheffield. No matter what I do, I cannot get them off this notion. I can't even leave them in Coventry to restart the battle. As soon as I unpaused the game, the fighters duly went to Sheffield, duly landed, and duly disappeared. *Poof!* In any other game, I would have reloaded my last save, but, well . . . see above.

And that was that.

I can't play again until this stuff is fixed. It's just too frustrating. I'll go through withdrawals to be sure, but my hope is that it will just make playing all the more fun when the patch does come out (assuming it fixes all of the above).

You might not be able to tell from this post that I love this game, I really do, but sometimes love means knowing when to spend time apart.
 
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Why not wait till 1.05

Yes, I feel pretty much the same as you.
Though I'm thinking of not bothering until 1.05 ?
Is it possible for Paradox to have a support function, where they email all registered users when the new patch arrives ?
This way I could forget about the game, have a nice spring,summer and Autumn and retire to the computer for winter with a fully functioning HOI.
Plus I wouldn't waste my time posting on this forum, delouding myself that my comment will have even the slightest influence on the developers.
 

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Dan: you know that your site and mine have newsletters. Lets just send the notice of new patches to the suscribed users and that's it. ;)

I even sent one when Bolted HoI 1.02c was made available for download. :)
 

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FYI, there is an autosave function, which helps with CtD's. As far as the tech problems, there is a fixer tool for that, available on Procer's site.
 

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Circumventing Bugs

Saving doesn't cause the techs to be eliminated, just reloading.

As noted above, there is a Player Written download to correct the tech issue.

Sometimes it requires a few clicks to different provinces and turning back the date to reset the attack time but you can correctly coordinate attacks with minimal effort.

The intercept function, that is costing you your airforce is unnecessary. The AI will bomb the same locations repeatedly.
Just base ftrs there to defend.

You can reload every six months or so if the AI is "falling alseep"; however, since you're playing Axis, there's no need. You should be able to defeat France and the SU in that time frame.
 

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Denmark ...

Why would anyone want to bomb Denmark? They're a walkover, just send 3 units of Infantry and that's it.

Anyway, all minors are walkovers, which is not very historical, as the game reduces victory time to days instead of weeks, making wars much too short.

b.
 

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Re: Why not wait till 1.05

Originally posted by draftwarmongers
Yes, I feel pretty much the same as you.
Though I'm thinking of not bothering until 1.05 ?
Is it possible for Paradox to have a support function, where they email all registered users when the new patch arrives ?
This way I could forget about the game, have a nice spring,summer and Autumn and retire to the computer for winter with a fully functioning HOI.
Plus I wouldn't waste my time posting on this forum, delouding myself that my comment will have even the slightest influence on the developers.
If that's how you feel then why bother posting here at all? :)
 

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Procer's site?

As far as the tech problems, there is a fixer tool for that, available on Procer's site.

Que? Could I ask for a pointer, please? I must have missed this one.

Steve, waiting patiently for the UK release and trying to keep up to date...

EDIT: Don't worry, Found it!
 
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Re: Re: Why not wait till 1.05

Originally posted by Trip
If that's how you feel then why bother posting here at all? :)
Because I'd actually like to see the game succeed and be a finished product ! Or at least hope that HOI 2 is a significant improvement.
 
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Originally posted by Dan Cook
You mean like a newsletter?

No I didn't mean that, just have Paradox copy what many hardware/software companies do; you buy a piece of equipment and either register it or sign up on their tech support forum (like this one) and when an new update or firmware is ready you're automatically notified of its availability.
As for a newsletter, there seems to be one or two brave souls, on this thread, champing at the bit to do it :)
 
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None of your issues worries me that much

Losing R&D on reload is annoying but it takes me all of 20 secs to edit it in by hand.

The retreating air units is also annoying but nothing you can't avoid by carefull gameplay.

I don't CTD when I bomb Denmark.

Strat bombers are easy to intercept, you can pretty much protect yourself with 2 figthers stationed in the right province since as mentioned before when the AI pics a target it sticks to it.
(Typically Antwerp or Amsterdam)

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I am not much of a programmer, and have been unable to fix the lost techs by hand.

As I said, I had been VERY careful with my air units, but the greatest care did not stop them from landing is Sheffield and being destroyed on the ground. No matter how many times I clicked, or what I clicked, or with what button, they were going to go to Sheffield. End of story. Was there a single Luftwaffe pilot so stupid as to deliberately land his plane -- much less a whole squadron, still less a whole airforce -- in enemy territory?

I do CTD when I bomb Denmark. I don't know why, but there it is. If it's the tactical bombing bug then the programmers should be aware that it happens even with dive bombers. More important, they should be aware that it happens in SP games. There seems to be an assumption that this is only an MP problem. Not so.

Yes, I can intercept strat bombers sometimes, but I can't harm them because the bad weather makes air-to-air combat impossible. But the weather has few if any negative effects on strategic bombing. Which means that all the disadantages of the preposterous, unrealistic, dilluvian weather in the HOI world acrue to the Axis, and none to the allies.