WAD: Captured ships have abnormally high organisation

[Mad Prof]

Captured ships have abnormally high organisation

English, vanilla 1.05c

When you capture ships of a nation with a different naval organisation technology level to you, they retain the max. org of the original nation. However, if the nation you captured the ships from had a higher organisation level to you, and you subsequently develop better naval organisation technologies (which the original country had presumably already researched), the org. of the captured ships will be raised again, resulting in ridiculously high max. org for the captured ships.

I have a game as Nat. Chi where I captured Japanese ships - and subsequently had lots of naval techs given me by the other Allies. Even though I have developed only half of the naval techs, I have Japanese ships with orgs of 105%.

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The simplest way of curing this is to stop ships from being captured. It was tried a few times in WW2 but never worked. The idea that the Chinese, as in your example, might capture ships from the Japanese is quite silly.

Instead ships should either retreat to sea or be scuttled. That's what usually happened when ships looked like they might be taken.

Andrew

 

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The simplest way of curing this is to stop ships from being captured. It was tried a few times in WW2 but never worked.
Andrew

Well,

how often did a German Panzer Division drive into a harbour full with BBs?

Of course it randomly happended, but the point is, the AI (or Human Players) forget to escape on open see. Whenever that happens, I think it is ok, to have a chance of capturing.

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[Vulture]

Completely agree.

 

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How often did a German Panzer Division drive into a harbour full with BBs? Of course it randomly happended...

No, it never happened. It's a silly fantasy and spoils the historical feel of the game. And what's more it's ridiculously biased. How come there's no chance for your precious panzers or stukas to be captured? Surely my commandos can sneak up while the crews are sleeping or demoralised and capture their Tiger tanks intact. Of course, this must must have happened ...

I heard a nice story at dinner last night - that the French disabled the Eiffel tower with the twist of a spanner so that the Germans couldn't use it. Here's a similar story from a quick web search:

When Adolf Hitler visited Paris in World War II, the lifts were put out of action by the French so that he would have to climb the 1792 steps to the summit - the part to repair them was allegedly impossible to obtain because of the war, though it was working again within hours of the departure of the Nazis. He chose to stay on the ground.

Consider how much complex a battleship is than the Eiffel tower. There's a reason that such ship has a well-trained crew of thousands - it's a useless hunk of metal without them.

So this is still a serious bug in my eyes. And so long as you still get silly events like the Chinese capturing Japanese fleets intact, you're going to get people complaining about it. We're expecting a serious wargame, not Battlefield 1942.

Andrew