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bitter peace & vichy france playing italy

i play italy with the pach 1.03.
these events cause a lot of italy occupied territories to go to the germans or to vichy france (both in the middle east colonies and in the mainland).
i would like to retain the conquests made, especially in the russian case: the event pays the japanese even if they do not partecipate to the war ( in one case they were comunists, also!), and doesn't pay italy, even if it has a land boundary (through the annexed turkey) and have opened a separate southern front against a 20 russian divisions.
 
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If you are really playing 1.03 you should get 1.03b :)

I don't think you'll get any support with 1.03 here.
 

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the events are the same in 1.03b and are WAD.


btw. some enhancements to this event have already been posted.
 
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thank you for the answer.
i'm new to the game, and to the forum. an event enhanchement is part of a patch, isn't it?
by the way: i believe that one of the strenght of the game is its historical accuracy, and another one is that you can play with any country in the game, with reasonable chanches of having an impact.
with regard to the WAD for vivchy french:
benito mussolini brought italy in war, and to the disaster, on june, the 10th 1940 declaring: "i need some thousend of dead people to sit with the winners at the peace table" and writing to the war ministry, a couple of fascist leaders and on his diary that he wanted "tunis, corsica, the coast to nizza. not the savoy, that is french".
history says a lot of things. but after the armistice (not the permanent post british surrender peace treaty) italian troops occupied corsica, were they fought (and won) the germans with the french resistance and moroccan rifles after the september, the 8th. AND the italians retained the kilometers of nothing gained on the alps boundaries.
 

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well, tunisia is not returned to france if occopied by italia. thus the event is correct, thanks.
 

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morover, part of the reason because italy invaded greece (and this caused germans to spend may of the 41 in the balkans and not in russia, and maybe saved moscow) is that mussolini feared the competition of an axis sided united france, after the victory: italy needed the control of the mediterranean to remain the second european axis power.
this is aggressing a standing nation, not bullying a fallen enemy (and future strategic competitor!), like retaining tunis (or damascus) if you have a couple of (italian)tank divisions there.
this is the same governament that declared a triumph after havig had to use iprite to win ethiopia and to pacify libya. galeazzo ciano (ideological crusader...) for the fascist side; badoglio and graziani, who ordered the iprite use, for the army and the monarchy; the king and mussolini "the empire is come back on the fated hills of rome".
i have to repeat myself. i believe they would have retained all they could.
thank you all for the game, and for the attention.
excuse me for being too long, and a bit arrogant, wasn't my intention, it is not my language.
cheers.