I just came up with a challenge that would be interesting to see: try to restore the Yuan dynasty with the Mongol Khanate starting at 1444, what do you think is it even possible?
Wacky challenge !
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The key to any horde strategy is a quick start. Their cavalry can overrun anyone at the start of the game, and if you can quickly break apart ming, you should be able to do this. If you let Ming sit around, the amount of money they make will completely overwhelm your ever diminishing troops.
If you can drag in some of Ming's southern neighbors into the fight, this will help you even more.
Though, a big problem with a quick start with most hordes (excluding timurids because they have an easy out when they take Delhi), is that if you are bigger than your manpower can defend when you leader dies, you end up losing much of what you can take (this is where some vassals come in handy as you have additional troops for war but less provinces for revolts).
If you can drag in some of Ming's southern neighbors into the fight, this will help you even more.
Though, a big problem with a quick start with most hordes (excluding timurids because they have an easy out when they take Delhi), is that if you are bigger than your manpower can defend when you leader dies, you end up losing much of what you can take (this is where some vassals come in handy as you have additional troops for war but less provinces for revolts).
That is the exact question I aim to answer in my next game: conquer all of Eurasia as Mongol khanate.
-1 house rule-no boats
-Why? A true khan has no need of boats.
The Mongols actually assembled very large fleets! Twice! They were both destroyed by freak storms when they tried to invade Japan.
Didn't the Chinese actually build the fleets for the Mongols? Also, isn't one of the hypotheses as to why they sank one involving intentional sabotage by the Chinese workers?
I said no TRUE KHAN. Why do you think they failed? Clearly their testicles were too small.
Edit: I am well aware of the history. I just like the game of thrones Dothraki interpretation on the Mongols. NO TRUE KHAN NEEDS BOATS!!!!!
they tried to invade the majapahit too.
anyway you start as an oirat vassal... good luck with that
I think someone already did it and more. they had conquered everything to denmark
anyway you start as an oirat vassal... good luck with that
I think someone already did it and more. they had conquered everything to denmark
I just tried this for my Westernized horde achievement in Ironman. It is not that hard though I tried winning my independence from Oirat Horde and conquering Ming too late. They had 8 provinces at 1821 so not total but its pretty easy:
1. Patience, you won't be able to do anything until you get your first idea. You are a vassal of the Oirat Horde and surrounded by large powers, the Oirat Horde by themselves can destroy you and they are usually allied to Tibet who can also destroy you by themselves. You can't let Muscovy expand to form Russia. So your first idea should not be any of the admin ideas to reform government. You can choose Innovative as your second idea set. The Exploration idea set should be your first idea expand aggressively west towards Muscovy and fill up east later. Being a vassal protects you so you don't have to worry much about war with Muscovy (they never declared on me the whole game) except with Ming and Manchu who usually get beaten by Oirat Horde and Tibet. Fight smart and raise your AT and prestige.
2. If you do this and fill up all of NE Asia you should have enough Manpower/Army/Income for mercenaries to win independence handily (I raised a trade fleet of about 30/40 ships to control the Beijing node to pay for advisors/large army). I built up after that while reforming government (hardest part is legitimacy though if you have been fighting smart you should have high prestige to raise legitimacy naturally) and finding someplace to plant a colony/conquer next to a westernized nation to westernize, but I don't think you really need to wait.
3. Westernize. I did it by conquering a province in Swahili/Africa next to Portugal (should be really easy as your rulers are usually good as a Horde, you have enough income to afford a +3 Admin advisor, and you have 100% religious unity from just colonies/maybe one province to convert). The tech neighbor's bonus should allow you to catch up quickly especially if you build a university/have the innovative bonuses.
4. Beat up on your neighbors when your Westernized units are far far above your neighbors. I made Manchu, Korea, and Oirat Horde vassals and started conquering Ming. Ran out of time because I wasn't really serious about it but it's definitely doable.
1. Patience, you won't be able to do anything until you get your first idea. You are a vassal of the Oirat Horde and surrounded by large powers, the Oirat Horde by themselves can destroy you and they are usually allied to Tibet who can also destroy you by themselves. You can't let Muscovy expand to form Russia. So your first idea should not be any of the admin ideas to reform government. You can choose Innovative as your second idea set. The Exploration idea set should be your first idea expand aggressively west towards Muscovy and fill up east later. Being a vassal protects you so you don't have to worry much about war with Muscovy (they never declared on me the whole game) except with Ming and Manchu who usually get beaten by Oirat Horde and Tibet. Fight smart and raise your AT and prestige.
2. If you do this and fill up all of NE Asia you should have enough Manpower/Army/Income for mercenaries to win independence handily (I raised a trade fleet of about 30/40 ships to control the Beijing node to pay for advisors/large army). I built up after that while reforming government (hardest part is legitimacy though if you have been fighting smart you should have high prestige to raise legitimacy naturally) and finding someplace to plant a colony/conquer next to a westernized nation to westernize, but I don't think you really need to wait.
3. Westernize. I did it by conquering a province in Swahili/Africa next to Portugal (should be really easy as your rulers are usually good as a Horde, you have enough income to afford a +3 Admin advisor, and you have 100% religious unity from just colonies/maybe one province to convert). The tech neighbor's bonus should allow you to catch up quickly especially if you build a university/have the innovative bonuses.
4. Beat up on your neighbors when your Westernized units are far far above your neighbors. I made Manchu, Korea, and Oirat Horde vassals and started conquering Ming. Ran out of time because I wasn't really serious about it but it's definitely doable.
I think the degree to which people try to make history more like GoT is just fascinating.
Similar to what I'm doing as Perm atm, except running in the opposite direction.
I figured the only way to break out of vassalage was to make my way into Pacific to build myself up to face Moscow. Being a vassal can be advantageous since it does offer a degree of protection.Sorry to the OP, but I think the OP will need to build up a proper fleet for the sake of Westernization. Otherwise, the nomad units will get behind... even behind Chinese in the long run. Using the Horde cavalry is cool in the early game, but only in the early game.